Stop press! The grumpf solution?
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Topic: Stop press! The grumpf solution?
Posted By: Oli
Subject: Stop press! The grumpf solution?
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 8:51am
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 8:56am
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Jo Richards Fusion was 30 years ahead of its time ... ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 9:06am
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The very last thing you should do is associate that with me or it'll be instantly condemned.
Why even now the PYAG must be going into a COBRA meeting to discuss a counter response. 
Good luck to them, I hope they sell a few, anything that gets bums on water isn't really a bad thing (even though it does claim to be a SUP). ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 9:41am
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Not sure what you are saying iGRF ? Their have been loads of similar gear over the years, including inflateable versions, some even have seats so you can paddle Kayak style.
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Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 10:07am
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3 Grand for a beach toy that looks awkward in any of its roles, make the Laser look like a bargain. If it was £500, they would sell loads. It could do with being a bit lighter too.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 10:49am
Percy Blandford more than 1/2 a century ahead...
 ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 12:39pm
Not saying anything other than in jest, but there is a correlation with me choosing a class and it either failing to launch or everybody getting sick, or the class dies.
Let's just take a look at my history. MPS (still surviving but then it was only a loan and luckily for them I never committed) L3K (pretty much gone) RS500 (Did it ever get going other than as a twin trapezer in Scandinavia) Alto (failed to really launch) Blaze (ditto MPS) RS100 (ditto RS500) EPS (pretty much dead) Icon ( ditto EPS) Solution (hanging in there but not really going anywhere) Minisprint (there was a nationals this year but it's sporadic) Farr 3.7 (as soon as I bought it anyone with sense sold theirs  )
Not that I care particularly, but that Maverick represents a lot of work and a persons committment and deserves praise for actually getting it to market, what was that quote about 'it's never the critics that count but the man actually in the arena'? Having said that somebody needs to buy it and they need a market to sell it to which is sadly lacking in this sport, unlikely there's a margin to sell it via my world, which is a shame things like this never quite stick it using the internet alone. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 12:56pm
| Minisail only missed one national in 10 years to my knowledge, last year was exceptional circumstances, (Rupert selling his Minisail). You missed a good weekend this year and Rupert got knocked off top spot by a new member. Bowmoor put on a good event. |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 1:00pm
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to my mind clubs should have these instead of picos and the like. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 1:31pm
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Let's just take a look at my history. ... Clearly your mistake was not buying a Laser  ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 2:44pm
"In a freak occurance, 220000 Lasers all spontaneously combusted at 9.03 am" ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Oct 18 at 4:16pm
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I have got a Laser if I decide to do something with it, not sure what yet but if it has been vapourised saves me losing any more sleep Remember a Laser is for life not just for weekends
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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 06 Oct 18 at 9:31pm
| I saw this on Facebook a few weeks ago - it looks like a lot of fun, best of luck to them, I’d love a go one day. |
Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 07 Oct 18 at 6:52pm
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Yes!! I'm going to get some of those side deck "cushions" for my Laser. No more numb bum ------------- Mistral Div II prototype board, Original Windsurfer, Hornet built'74. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 07 Oct 18 at 7:53pm
| Serious question ? Can you not have padding on a Laser side deck ? |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 07 Oct 18 at 9:20pm
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You can do anything you like if you just want to sail it but if you want to race then the answer would be no...... ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 8:50am
| You can race it too, but not as a Laser. |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 9:03am
A good point well made  ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 9:14am
| What would you say to RO ? What would be their answer ? I would say ok and just give them same PY, would put Laser*, with an explanation at bottom of page. |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 9:54am
It would be outside class rules. It would probably make tacking harder with a lot of kicker on. Apart from Finns and B14s, which other classes go for padding anyway? (The B's seem to have a degree of upholstery where the tramp wraps around the outer wing bar).
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 11:22am
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RS400atC,
Would you allow it to sail ? |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 11:37am
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If I were RC I'd probably round it to the nearest round number below, which makes next to no difference, on the grounds that with the padding and extra freeboard its probably easier to sit out further for longer with less wave impact.
But the crucial difference is I wouldn't allow it to start in Laser class races. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 12:00pm
| I think Sam posted on wrong thread when he asked about the Kirby Torch, would Kirby Torch be allowed ? |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 12:04pm
You have a strange view of things sometimes iGRF. Obviously, if they have been sold they have new owners. That's a positive thing, given that the boats that were being sold, were being sold because of ill health. For classes to get bigger you need churn. Now, if you'd like to step forward to take on one of the committee posts, as I asked you to do, to which you went very quiet. You can be involved in increasing the numbers. Rather than claiming to be a Jonah. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 12:15pm
Claiming?
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 2:04pm
Were any actually built? If so then no it would not be a class legal Laser (unless the Laser CA made a ruling to allow them). Would I allow it in a club race? Yes I probably would and I would give it the same PN as a Laser. ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 6:14pm
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I think some were built ? I joined class association to show solidarity, website still works. http://www.kirbytorch.com
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 6:22pm
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 6:35pm
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Those are Lasers, not Torches! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 08 Oct 18 at 6:43pm
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I know it was supposed to be a link to a summary of numbers but turned into this picture when I posted it Bloody post won't delete now
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