Put the laser down, and walk away........slowly!

I have a friend who sails a 4.7....not completely sure how heavy he is...would say about 55kg. and he sails a 4.7....not really big enough for a radial above a f3.

I am 60kg and would be competitive up to about a f5 I've been told

If you want something fast then why does a Laser even enter your mind.

A general rule is that if the PY is 3 figures then it's fast.
(I know this is controversial but it's what I think. I can't be bothered to argue the point so if anyone disagrees or thinks differently, good for them, cos I dont care!!!)

This is an awesome boat and your not gonna dind a decent laser for less!

http://www.moth.nl/SecondHand/ItemDetail.jsp?stsh=37&lng=1&shaNr=591 - http://www.moth.nl/SecondHand/ItemDetail.jsp?stsh=37&lng =1&shaNr=591

PY= Psrtsmouth Yardstick.

This is the standard method in the Uk (most widely accepted) for giving boats a handicap. Most club racing is run by it, using corrected times/ or staggered starts (pursuit race).

radial optimum weight is around 68kg with the 4.7 being up to about 60 and the full rig anything over about 72kg does that help???

Originally posted by carshalton fc well done isis u should be proud,  i am sure at least one of your posts has been to some use to someone.   strawberry dont u own a cherub???   dude  get a 4000.

Go Isis!! 500 posts is a good start, I say

As for the "don't buy a Cherub" advice to HRH, maybe the class regulations don't accept anyone with such an obvious lack of coordination, as seen in the Prince Buster photo below:

Go Isis!! 500 posts is a good start, I say

As for the "don't buy a Cherub" advice to HRH, maybe the class regulations don't accept anyone with such an obvious lack of coordination, as seen in the Prince Buster photo below:

[/QUOTE]He's a legend

Ohh you're such a tease!

Go on, let it out... you'll feel better afterwards.

I'm not so sure bout that...

Maybe this thread should be moved to the "Banter" section?!

Go Isis!! 500 posts is a good start, I say

As for the "don't buy a Cherub" advice to HRH, maybe the class regulations don't accept anyone with such an obvious lack of coordination, as seen in the Prince Buster photo below:

[/QUOTE]He's a legend

Enough boys, enough! 
To be honest Callum, I thought that "outburst"  of yours would be at home in a primary school playground !  Did you know who Prince Buster (the real one) was before HRH came on the forum? 

Then there's HRH himself... Chill out, dude. Life is too short to be taken seriously .

Now, I hope you will all play nice from now on - Thank you xxx

To come back to the topic,

Originally posted by Prince Buster Hi, does anyone know the optimum weight bands for sailing the laser 4.7, radial and standard rigs. I keep getting different opinions from everyone and I'm not really sure what to make of it all.  I'm 50kg and was sailing a 4.7 but now it seems like all the racing is in Radials.  I find it really difficult when it gets windy but I'm not sure whether I should just put up with it to get some good racing or should go back into the 4.7.  How heavy should one be to sail a Radial competitively? Prince Buster

http://www.blithfield.org.uk/fleets/laser.htm - http://www.blithfield.org.uk/fleets/laser.htm

There's a table of crew weights for the 3 different rigs (in stone, sorry).

Just a question: from your profile, I see you're very young. At 15, you probably haven't reached your adult weight. Are you likely to switch to another boat next year or can you consider growing into a Radial? Besides, all optimum crew weights are only a guide. If you're a good sailor, you can tune a Laser, can't you?

Radials at least are notorious for people pulling cunningham eyes out of even brand new sails trying to get more tension on, dont ya just love smods?

At your weight you are a bit limited.  Two classes which do come to mind are the Splash and Byte - links available from the classes section...... 

The Byte in particular looks good with the new rig..

Ian

Going fast comes from having big powerfull sails, which means u have lots of healing moment, which therefore has to be counteracted by righting moment. So if you wanna go fast you either gotta learn to sail when overpowered (get an RS600), face it that u sail a slow boat (get a Byte), or learn to sail a development class where you can personalise the rig (get a moth).

Or of course you could get some friends (preferably heavy ones) and sail a double hander.

This is the word according to Strawberry

I know it doesn't seem to be that popular now (I may be wrong !)but what about the rs300? 50kgs sounds a bit light for the 600.Tho the moth may be ok

By the way i say this with never having sailed either the 600 or the moth!And I weigh a bitmore than 50kgs!

at 50kg and 165cm you're way too small for most things. For example you're over 10kg too light for the optimum topper weight, which says something considering it's such a small slow boat!

Get a fast 2 man boat with a single trapeze, and get a gorilla to hang off it eg: fireball.

Normally I would say that if you wanted something faster and requiring a bit of a learning curve then go for the Contender as I did (I only started getting excited about being in a full rig laser when everyone else was saying no way!!)

At 50kg though I would wait a couple of years and a couple of stone and a couple of inches

"But is it a BIG new thing sailing a single handed trapeze boat or is it just something you get used to" - I bought a Contender having never been on a trapeze let alone been on a single hande trapeze - ask me again in about 6 months ofter I have climbed this everest of a learning curve

to be honist i think you are going the rong way about it

i think 50 kilos is on the light side for a 4.7 but i think you should stay with that and get in the teams and things as you have to be about 70 kilos for a radel and i was 75 kilos when i was in the full rig and i was 5 kilos to light you need to be 80kilos for it to be fast

i think you sloukd get a cheep moth that you can sail when you are not racing for fun then see wot you want to do in a year or 2

geting a bout you are too small for sounds good at the time but all you do is put your self off stay with the 4.7 and go to all the opens

i know this is not wot i done but it is the right thing to do i think from my experuns

i think jame600 is talking sense there now

but i also think that you should stik with a laser 4.7 or topper for your normal boat as that way you can get the benafit of all the free traniong you can get in them and that way you can do things in the squde

anther idear could be to keep the laser and get nofing sels and save your money and look for a big crew that is your age and get a 29er when you find one then try and get in to the 29er team

but i would not go out and get the boat and look for the crew after that is the mastak i made

just wonduring where do you sail

i think jame600 is talking sense there now

lol

i think with some of your ealyer postes on the subject i disagreed a bit

but its only persanl prefrance

There is a problem here - I get the feeling that there is the need for a trapezing singlehander for leightweigts in the 50 to 60kg range.

Why do we force our leightweights to stay in Lasers 4.7s, Toppers and Oppies when they could be sailing something more exciting.

So come on RS, noboday wants your RS500 (see other thread). Develop a leightweight single handed trapeze boat to meet this gap in the market.

it is grate for us to sit hear saying this becuse there a coulpe of people hear that would need thing but rs and laser are company and they need to make money so they make things that a lot of people could buy and that is people around the 75-90 kilo range most people are i have resonty been to rs and laser and if you look around and think about it they are not boat bilders any more ok they bild boats but they are more like argos or tesco there just providing what most people want that is what i think is the good thing about ovington where they have not got big enof yet to be like that so if you want that kind of boat know it would have to be a class like phatom where any one can make them so people can make theem as one offs and make money on them but not sell that boat as to make lots of money thats why laser stoped making the EPS and the vortex ok they where ok and selling but there where never going to sell in the same numbers as the sb3 and they could not make every boat they desine so the thy had to make a chose what one to make and that was not ones where the best boat it was the one that was going to make them the most money

sorry i was never any good at that i still ant

but you still get what im saying right

Originally posted by Prince Buster Originally posted by Contender443 There is a problem here - I get the feeling that there is the need for a trapezing singlehander for leightweigts in the 50 to 60kg range. Why do we force our leightweights to stay in Lasers 4.7s, Toppers and Oppies when they could be sailing something more exciting. So come on RS, noboday wants your RS500 (see other thread). Develop a leightweight single handed trapeze boat to meet this gap in the market. WOW got it in 1!!!!! You couldn't be more right!!! That really is what is needed cos lots of my friends are in the same position as me but most are too light to sail any fast boats on the market.  Forget the RS500 it's gonna be a waste of time against the laser 4k.  5420: just wondering where do you sail Thorpe Bay on the Thames Estuary

Get a FARR 3.7 !  (I'd love to have one too)

Anyone interested in importing them from NZ???

I personally like this definition:

Who came out with this then?

An guy on the forum called "Skiffe"

Expressin my opinion,

eg. I think your a fool who has less knowledge of sailing, or sailing boats, than my forestay!

Not taking sides but Prince Buster has joined the forum to seek advice on certain topics and ask questions as have most of us. He has asked completely fair questions and hasn't made any sweeping statements what so ever. Whats wrong with asking things, im pretty damn sure you didn't learn your knowledge from osmosis, you must of had to ask someone.

Statements like:

eg. I think your a fool who has less knowledge of sailing, or sailing boats, than my forestay!

Make you look a completely unhelpful tw** and destroys the whole point of having a forum, if all the members made comments like that all the time (thanks christ they don't) and if you asked a question somebody ripped the piss into you, im pretty damn sure nobody would post...When you want something answered and get something wrong i doubt everyone will come out with comments like yours....im suprised Mark Jardine hasn't already said something!

That's never stopped ME from trying to talk about boats! (mind you, I've never met your forestay... )

And honestly, I do agree with Wave Rider. Prince Buster came on this forum to talk about boats and ask for advice. His username is probably a little more unusual than the obvious boat name/sail number combination; it's got the great advantage that it won't be outdated when he sells his boat (eh, Contender443!?! ).
I'd never heard of Prince Buster (the singer) before our man came on the forum and I've researched and learnt something! It can't be a bad thing

Finally, I think everyone in their life has asked candid questions, or made sweeping judgements, Strawberry, Isis, plenty more and me included! We're all here to share an interest on the same sport, not bicker and call one another names like Asbos-aspiring kids in a primary school playground.

Now, I've said it before: PLAY NICE! (or else ...)

xxx BnS

Why do teachers always have to go and ruin a good fight??!!

Why does the boat have to be a single-hander? There doesn't seem to be a single-handed trapeze boat that meets your requirements appart from the Farr which you'd have to get imported. Get a mate on board and go for a double-hander because there are a lot of suitable double-handed trapeze boats that would give you the excitement you are looking for. For £2000 and under you could get a decent Laser 2, 3000, Buzz or Fireball. As 5420 mentioned you could go for a 29er with a little bit more money or alternatively move into a 420. The Cherub may be another option and as you get bigger, with that boat you can modify an older boat to new rules allowing her to carry more sail area. Such boats will provide you with the experience to move into other things when you get bigger for example single handed skiffs like the RS 600, 700 and MPS, or double-handed skiffs or boats like the 505.

12' THAMES SKIFF

hmmm, how come it's ok to sl*g someone off for sayin summin so bloody stupid on the sailin anarchy forum, but not on this....?!

I'm trying to raise the standard of this forum and doing you guys a service by trying to educate you!

It's all in the interest of Y&Y.

Haha, you edited your post!

I was about to ask you what you have against Americans?

Check out this bargin

http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/view/F81967/ - http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/view/F81967/

http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/view/F83827/ - http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/view/F83827/

If you believe the sail number, that's another overpriced boat! It's been on ebay a couple of months ago, but hasn't sold. Hmmmm I wonder why?   
(K63!!)