Dinghy Show - snow issues
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Topic: Dinghy Show - snow issues
Posted By: Old Timer
Subject: Dinghy Show - snow issues
Date Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 1:33pm
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Will the show go on? Will you still attend? Will all the exhibitors be able to get there to set up? |
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 1:50pm
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Saturday is looking OK. the biggest issue will be setup so it will depend on what time Emma arrives and causes havoc. ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 2:22pm
Had to be this way really for me to be buying a wooden boat.
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 2:51pm
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I though the Farr was available in epoxy/foam sandwich? So yours is epoxy coated cellulose fibre laminate (plywood that is...)? ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 3:07pm
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Planning to go and attend club briefing. ------------- Gordon Phantom 1430 |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 3:21pm
I think the internals are Ply. That's enough for iGRF to have to use his Epi-Pen. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 6:24pm
Despite my best efforts, it remains a wood core.
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 6:35pm
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Don't worry, nobody will know..... BTW is the 'stealth' colour scheme to allow you to sneak past the Contenders unnoticed? ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 6:47pm
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It just looks better, techie.
Wood just looks like 'old furniture' there's nothing wrong with wood, in it's place, we use wood cores in kiteboards, snow boards, even make marketing capitol from it, we just don't let it ruin our image..  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 8:06pm
| Looking good iGRF, liking those kick bars. I guess I'm similar height to you and I really struggle to step out smoothly on the Contender. Mind you, they may offer a slight hazard when flying in from the wire, possibly the reason the Contenders shun them. |
Posted By: Oinks
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 7:53am
| Reminds me a bit of the Mirror 14. Always hankered after one of hose when I was a kid. |
Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 8:41am
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On Saturday at 10.30 the RYA is having a club briefing which each club is invited to send 2 reps which also gives them free entry afterwards. Check if your club has anyone going. ------------- Gordon Phantom 1430 |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 8:50am
Anyone else think it looks a bit scruffy in black? 
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Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 8:57am
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Just keep saying to yourself, GRF, "wood is just carbon based fibres" - so what you really have is a sexy epoxy carbon Farr. Looks great, but would it have been even better all black? Did you never fancy yourself as Hotblack Desiato? ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 10:09am
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I've done all black with the V2 which you may or may not remember, which lead to a spate of black copycat boats of different genres..
I quite like the black and white effect which may or may not get a red stripe right down the middle along with a red mast if it can be done. The sail is black of course. I also may or may not have this graphic affixed to the hull. 
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 10:35am
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Is it going to remain matt or will the CF (effect or real?) foredeck have a gloss finish? ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 10:37am
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Seem to remember from the Yachting and Boating Weekly days that there was a black deck Quarter Tonner, where there was a percieved advantage that the hot air rising off the deck created flow over the sails, the arguement was sufficient for IOR rating authorities to consider a penalty for black deck boats ... though I guess the black deck will not be required in this case. Does this also make the Farr a PY bandit? ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 12:07pm
Its a Matt black carbon wrap just a visual I'm afraid they didn't have time to perfect carbon laminating ply as I'd wished, but it does the same thing visually (like the bonnet wraps you get for T5's) What I now need is a red carbon effect wrap for the mast which will look totally rad dude.. sic  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 12:16pm
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You may set a trend for red carbon fibre masts Graeme :) ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 3:31pm
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Thread title - snow issues Actual discussion - cons of wooden boats
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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 3:56pm
| you have to talk about something else if you want to make the dinghy show exciting |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 5:44pm
The dreaded 'forum creep'  it's what makes most forums more like a conversation in the pub than Question Time on the BBC.
------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 6:02pm
| my greatest concern is that I am looking at the Farr and thinking it looks great! luckily my knees have a different view |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 6:58pm
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 7:00pm
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Back to the show, whilst it's looking pretty crap everywhere else we seem to be getting clearer here in the South East. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 7:06pm
I’ll take it over PY bitchin’ |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 7:33pm
| Best wishes for show organisers, driving was dreadful earlier and it's going to get worse. |
Posted By: smurfer
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 7:45pm
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I have messaged @dinghyshow to see if, due to the weather and possible train cancellations, Saturday tickets can be used on Sunday. So far I haven't had any response. ------------- RS200 255, Mirror 67559 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 7:59pm
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I didn't think tickets had days on them? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Gfinch
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 8:45pm
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The National 12s had planned to display a brand new (not sailed yet) Dead Cat Bounce but due to the road conditions they've now pulled out from the show completely. A shame, but saves a possible road incident with a new dinghy. ------------- 3513, 3551 - National 12 136069 - Laser 32541 - Mirror 4501 - Laser 4000 |
Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 10:06pm
| I’m not surprised. I get the feeling it may end up a ghost show ... very disappointing. |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 8:28am
Good news for the Phantoms and Flying Dutchman ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: smurfer
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 9:21am
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My tickets say Saturday. When I bought them I had to choose which day. These are the advance £10 RYA member ones. ------------- RS200 255, Mirror 67559 |
Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 9:39am
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I'm hearing that a final decision will be made at 10am. My personal view, as one who is working at the Show with sessions on the main stage, is that this should be pulled now. "The Show must go on" sounds great as a soundbite but the reality is that even if I can get there, what is the point of talking to a 2/3rds empty main hall. D
------------- Dougal H |
Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 9:56am
| Totally disagree Dougal |
Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 10:09am
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Just had the call - the Show is a 'go' as planned. D
------------- Dougal H |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 10:29am
| Good news, just hope the trains are running. The North Circular is hideous to drive on even without a bit of snow to cause chaos. |
Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 10:32am
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Whilst the venue is lovely, it isnt the easiest place to get to, especially considering the current conditions. Was hoping to talk to RS about a "show offer" new Aero ... but may not be able to travel now. ------------- |
Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 10:38am
| Good call by the organisation |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 10:39am
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It'll be fine, we're thawing here at the moment and temperatures by Saturday are expected to be a balmy 6c don't be pussies all your life I'm disappointed in the National 12s I thought they were a class with a bit of gumption.
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Posted By: Alistair426
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 10:41am
There won't be many people coming from the SW as you can't get to the trunk roads to get out.
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Posted By: SUGmeister
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 10:47am
I remember that! It was originally an administration error, the owner had ordered the boat with black topsides. ------------- Simon SUGmeister I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me. |
Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 11:10am
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Well Zeon, come and find me at the Show - that's not difficult I can assure you - and then tell me if you think it was a good idea or not! D
------------- Dougal H |
Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 11:38am
Roads are pretty terrible around here. Towing would be pretty stupid here. I would guess it's a customer's boat and I would be withdrawing the loan if it was mine. |
Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 12:54pm
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the organisers have little option, any cancellation insurance will only kick in if access is impossible to all and the mechanics of a load of exhibitors with cancelled hotels etc a nightmare.
I cant even get my car out of my gate let alone drive down the lane! stay safe guys |
Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 1:38pm
Will do. You can buy elaine and I a drink. After all the bar will not be busy. 😂
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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 1:53pm
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Hi Davidyacht Pleased to say we are supposed to be having a Phantom on the Ovington stand. Lets just hope they can make it from the North East after this week. Sorry but I preferred your boat without the Fablon fake carbon look on your Farr. Cant believe its the 2nd of March and nobody has mentioned the new PY'S as Graham has bought one the 3.7 is bound to have an EN now, said you should have gone on the committee. ------------- Gordon Phantom 1430 |
Posted By: smurfer
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 2:34pm
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Just received this email from the ticket company - great to see they appreciate the travel uncertainties. :-) Dear visitor
We are really looking forward to seeing you at the RYA Dinghy Show 2018 at Alexandra Palace this weekend! The Show is going ahead as planned and doors open at 10am. Your tickets will be valid for EITHER Saturday or Sunday.
Take care when travelling and we really look forward to seeing you there!
Best wishes
The Show Team ------------- RS200 255, Mirror 67559 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 2:52pm
On the weather front.. ahem it's started to snow again here ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 2:57pm
| Snowing here too and still blowing dogs, I haven't been able to get off drive, had a snow day. |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 3:00pm
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 3:06pm
Oh it can be done iGRF  ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 3:38pm
Sorry, nothing personal please believe me, but what on earth is 'lovely' about the venue? its in a horrendous traffic jammed location with exorbitant parking and the prospect of hours of driving or trains to get to for everyone outside of the M25? Even if the weather wasn't causing a host of problems its long overdue a move to pretty much anywhere other than the outer-hebrides or Norwich, which I will concede, are harder to reach, marginally. |
Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 3:43pm
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The venue is lovely i.e Ally Pally as a building. As I said, the location and travel is not. Re-read my post 😉 We both agree on the crap location and travel issues.
I am sure a better location could be found but it's all about cost, as it's a very Corinthian event - tho getting more and more Not Corinthian (for want of a better phrase) NEC would be great but costs would outweigh the audience. ------------- |
Posted By: Cirrus
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 3:52pm
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......location with exorbitant parking... So what do you think they could/should charge for parking then ? Would it help if say it was only a fiver for the day maybe ? Would you like to even see free parking made available and perhaps included in the regular ticket price ? Your views on this issue I can almost guarantee would be most interesting to hear...... |
Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 3:58pm
Parking is free, n'est pas ??? "Parking: Parking onsite is free and there are 1000 spaces , however, due to the popularity of the show, parking areas can become full at peak times so if you are travelling by car arrive early and follow the guidance of the onsite attendants who will direct you to alternative parking when necessary. " ------------- |
Posted By: Cirrus
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 4:21pm
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Parking is free, n'est pas ??? Of course it is - but now you have just gone and spoilt our fun !! .... I was so looking forward to the reply.... |
Posted By: andy h
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 4:28pm
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Off the RYA website: "Having carefully weighed up all the factors, we have decided that the Show will go ahead. This has been a difficult decision, due to lots of conflicting evidence, advice and opinions. The forecast appears to be improving and a substantial number of exhibitors want the Show to go ahead. Alexandra Palace is open and build up is underway and the surrounding area is largely clear. If it is not safe for you to travel, then please do not attempt to do so. If you have bought an advanced ticket for the show you will be able to attend on either Saturday or Sunday." At least that clears up the ambiguity in the ticket company's e-mail for me so we'll be using our Saturday tickets on Sunday. ------------- Europe AUS53 & FF 3615 National 12 3344, Europe 397 and Mirror 53962 all gone with regret |
Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 4:29pm
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Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 4:29pm
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Got there at 2pm, checked in with the organisers, noted that there are now even more keelboats in the hall (the new RS boat does look interesting but one has to question what the Dragon and J boats are supposed to be there for). The National 12s are not alone in not making it - some trade stands have pulled but one can see that if they're going to struggle to get there, only for a reduced footfall, well, they have some sympathy.
At that point a look out of the window showed near blizzard like conditions and thinking about going down the big hill to get out, then heading back up Muswell Hill to get towards the hotel...... I bailed pronto. The snow has eased but the North Circular was no fun and that was at 3pm. By all accounts it nearly didn't happen - the events of the next two days will show if hanging in there was a good more or a shot in the left foot. D
------------- Dougal H |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 4:38pm
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Forgetting about the weather (any plans we might have had are scuppered by the demise of the railway at Dawlish) it strikes me that a travelling show would stimulate more interest than being locked into the Ally Pally. On the times that I have worked off various stands, the market has essentially been North London or Essex based, or those exhibiting grabbing 10 minutes to look around. If the show cycled between Manchester, Birmingham and London it would cover the heartlands of dinghy racing, and could work much better to link clubs with prospective sailors. ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 11:08pm
| I doubt I will go, getting to the main road from my house was a nonstarter today, less snow but freezing rain then topped up with more snow. |
Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 03 Mar 18 at 7:48am
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We've decided not to go this year as we can't yet get our vehicles out of our hilly lanes and nothing's worth the risks - we're only about 5 miles from the part of the A303 that featured on the telly because people wouldn't heed the warnings and weather forecast and stop in hotels or not travel so ended up stuck for 13 hours or so.
All these reporters out interviewing snow bound drivers never ask "So why were you travelling when the forecast was so bad and advice was to stay put?" - would love to hear the answers. That irresponsibility could also be a reason for insurers not to pay out on vehicle damage. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 Mar 18 at 8:19am
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Here on the southern M25 it seems to have been thawing for several hours, and the forecast is rain tomorrow.
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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 03 Mar 18 at 8:21am
Not dinghy show related, but thanks for posting the update... heading around there Monday morning and I couldn’t believe it wouldn’t have cleared by then! |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 03 Mar 18 at 9:23am
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I went up last night and the M3 and M25 were the smoothest I've ever known. Quiet, nobody driving badly. Just wet. It was very, very sketchy towing through some N London residential streets though - google maps fault. |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 03 Mar 18 at 8:30pm
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Well it was a bit quiet first thing but by the time I left at 3 the show seemed as busy as normal, I had a record quick journey, no snow, we're in full thaw down here, it's all gone, great, all the hysterical news broadcasts have emptied the roads. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 12:13pm
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Damn...for a Sunday lunchtime the Show is busy.......I'd say significantly busier that you'd normally get on the Sunday! For those interesting in the current and future structure and - hopefully - a brighter future - some of the talks (sadly hidden away in side rooms) have been superbly informative. Many of the topics that have recently featured - the lack of fun, problems inherent in the current Class/Club model and the demographics all featured and - will be featured here again soon. D
------------- Dougal H |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 12:38pm
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Will their be a breakdown of the talks coming through ? |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 4:34pm
Talk is cheap and nothing dinghy sailors like more than cheap. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 5:39pm
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Definitely, now about this Solution you're selling ;) ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 05 Mar 18 at 2:25pm
Sorry I missed you. Dougaldog. Do you still think they made the wrong choice?
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Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 05 Mar 18 at 4:00pm
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I did go in the end ... it was more busy than I expected; the trip up wasn't that easy with bad fog but going home was easy. There were a few blank stands but otherwise it looked like business as usual, a great show.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 05 Mar 18 at 4:44pm
We've had a reprieve down the lake at least until May then we expect a decision, it also won me a race yesterday on handicap as well as over the water, a rarity down that lake so not likely to be selling anytime soon. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Mar 18 at 5:13pm
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Well that's a good thing anyway. So I guess you'd still say Solution was a good boat for small lake handicap racing then. ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 05 Mar 18 at 5:35pm
Yes,especially if you have subsurface obstacles or restricted space so it's ability to be quick in and out of a tack are important. It's not really a boat that'll do it for you like say a phantom was when it was a bandit, you'll still have a battle with lasers, solo's and streakers if you don't put it in the right place at the right time, but if you sail it well, which I'm sometimes capable of at least for half an hour before my attention span wanes, or it's blowing less than *15 knots, then it's a proper little weapon. *15 knots is m threshold, but there's a lad down our lake who just upshifts in that breeze and he's gone not many folk can then even touch him. (He is as many years younger as he is kilos heavier mind ;-) ) ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Mar 18 at 7:39pm
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Ta. If the Supersofa sells quickly and I can find a Solution I can afford I think I'll give one a go. After all, if I don't get on with it I can always sell it and buy another Blaze later.......
------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |