Laser 2 Dingy
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Topic: Laser 2 Dingy
Posted By: Stanage
Subject: Laser 2 Dingy
Date Posted: 04 Feb 18 at 4:43pm
| I have a Laser 2, and need some sails for it, having difficulty finding some at reasonable price, does anyone know a Dingy with sails which may fit as an option. |
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Posted By: ClubRacer
Date Posted: 04 Feb 18 at 4:57pm
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https://www.tridentuk.com/gb/cover-sails/trident-sails/laser-2-sails.html
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 04 Feb 18 at 5:23pm
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Even so called 'training sails ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 04 Feb 18 at 5:51pm
| http://www.tridentuk.com/gb/cover-sails/trident-sails/laser-2-sails.html" rel="nofollow - Here's the link for those Trident sails . I don't think the prices are especially out of the ordinary. Trouble you're going to have is that original Laser 2 Sails were less than long lived at the best of times, and there's no real racing fleet to generate slightly tired ones. While a new set of sails is going to cost far more than the boat is worth, any secondhand boat is going to come with clapped out sails anyway. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Feb 18 at 6:12pm
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Get a quote from a bespoke sail maker, R&J sails or Morgan sails etc, just google for sail makers. Small lofts probably cheaper if you have to go new sail route.
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 04 Feb 18 at 6:47pm
That hasn't been my experience personally TBH but small sailmakers will vary considerably on pricing I'm sure and will probably do a deal if they are quiet too. OTOH having the sails made in China ought, in theory, mean cheaper sails........... ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 04 Feb 18 at 8:00pm
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I would think your chances of finding good condition secondhand L2 sails are quite small. but it's worth asking around. Try a wanted ad on the facebook dinghy bits page? If you just want something to get on the water with, I suppose any jib which isn't too tall to fit the forestay will function, and a main which is slightly shorter in the luff will be OK. It won't be optimum for the bend characteristic of the mast, but it will get you on the water. I've no idea which classes might make good donors. Maybe someone somewhere has a list of the basic dimensions for dinghies? It's easier for yachts as they tabulate all that stuff for rating systems. Otherwise, I fear it's a case of looking at the class rules for any likely candidate. If you can find a class where the sails might fit, (near enough) look at the class association for used sails? One or two sailmakers sometimes deal in used sails. Secondhand dinghies dot com? Cygnus sails will do new 'School' sails cheaper than Trident. |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 04 Feb 18 at 9:46pm
As the owner of a 'lost class' (Topper Spice) I've often considered this would be a good idea.
I found that that's pretty much the only way at present but many of the most successful classes these days are SMODs and they don't have measurement rules like the trad one design and development classes of old.
Maybe posting luff and foot lengths on the above mentioned fb page would get a result (I'd certainly measure my spare sails...... ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 04 Feb 18 at 9:49pm
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If anybody want's to post dimensions of their sails here (or pm me) I'll try to collate them in a spread sheet and post a dropbox (or some such) link to it.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 7:27am
| I have two decent sets of Enterprise sails if these fit, free. |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 9:26am
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Luff and foot measurements are :- jib luff 3836 mm foot 1702 mm mainsail luff 5639 mm foot 2657 mm derived from the black band positions, as far as I can see the Ent class rules don't specify a measurement for the sail (though I assume they must on the measurement form) only that it must set within the bands.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 10:05am
| I will measure them for you, if it snows tomorrow I will do it then. |
Posted By: Stanage
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 10:42am
| thanks for the offer, I will try and see if they would fit, |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 11:01am
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If you have a suit of sails but they are unserviceable measure the luff and foot and post the measurements on here. I'll add them to the list and anybody with something that may be suitable can measure theirs. FWIW the areas of the L2 main and jib are 8.9 M2 and 2.6 M2. which is not that much different to an Enterprise but I suspect the L2 main is higher aspect so the Ent main may be a bit long in the foot. ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 11:17am
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The Laser 3000 was basically the same hull with a different cockpit (and asym kite) was it not. How close were the main and jib to a L2? You might get close and not be too unbalanced (though again it isn't a very active class). The L2 kite was huge!! Had the biggest symmetric pole I have seen on a dinghy other than possibly an old symmetric cherub. You may be able to get a Fireball, 505, Scorpion kite to fit it without being too far off.
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Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 1:34pm
| Remember though an Enterprise sail is not loose footed so might not work so well on a Laser 2 without some modifications. |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 3:08pm
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L2 kite is around 10 m2, similar to a later Merlin kite. The L3k, I suspect, has a longer mast so probably won't fit an L2 stick, but it is slightly smaller at 8.6 m2 with a bigger jib and the assy kite is 2 1/2 m2 bigger than the L2 sym.
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Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 6:09pm
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Tried a scorpion kite on a L2 and yes it does fit but it seemed to have a fuller cut, not so good at reaching as the standard L2 kite.
Old Laser Fun sails should fit ok. Same boat but didn't have a spinny. |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 6:30pm
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Just noticed that Wiki says the L3k mast is 6.02 metres. Not sure how much that helps though as the L2 is deck stepped (and has a proper foredeck) and the L3k is stepped on the cockpit floor a few inches below where the foredeck would be if it had one.......
Of course if you have no sails then a measurement of the mast, boom and forestay will get you in the ball park ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 7:11pm
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The class measurement rules are still on laser 2 class website, had a quick look, doesn't appear to have measurements op needs. Had a quick look at Enterprise main, lens foot should be easy to remove with a decent pair of scissors if they will do the job.
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 8:46pm
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Or an improvised hot knife (the better solution). Most SMODs don't publish measurements, they just build them and expect you to buy from the current builder. If a UK sailmaker can make a profit on 'training sails' for a certain popular dinghy it seems likely that the manufacturer is milking the margins a bit....... ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: gbr1918
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 10:35pm
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Assuming your L2 has the original 2 piece mast, would a complete rig from a suitable donor class be a possible idea? dunno what that class would be, mind! maybe N12, Lark, something like that? |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Feb 18 at 11:19pm
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If I get the chance I'll measure a suit of N12 sails I bought as a Spice "silly wind" rig..... But they are down at the club so it'll be a couple of weeks...... N12 mains seem to have a very short luff comported to the leech measurement, looks distinctly odd to me but, in pics, they don't appear to have a droopy boom to match the dangly pole............ ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 10 Feb 18 at 3:28pm
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Sam, I have managed to measure a set of 'Holts' Enterprise sails. Jib, Main, Luff - 147" Roach - 230" Leech - 144" Luff - 212" Foot - 64" Foot - 98" |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 10 Feb 18 at 4:07pm
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Cool. will add to the list later. If a mod thinks it's worth a sticky I'll post the list in here and update it as I get more measurements? I think it would be useful for those of us trying to keep old boats and particularly "lost class's" up and sailing. ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 10 Feb 18 at 6:53pm
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Laser 2 sail dimensions here: http://www.laser2sailing.org/class/rules/rulesdiagram2.gif" rel="nofollow - http://www.laser2sailing.org/class/rules/rulesdiagram2.gif |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 10 Feb 18 at 7:44pm
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Converting my imperial measurements to metric, Enterprise sails will fit, most of the measurements are in centre of tolerances, just the Enterprise lens foot to deal with, had another look, should be an easy remove, or try it with it in place ? Stanage, If you want to try a set of Enterprise sails ? You are more than welcome to a set, would have to be picked up from my club, just off junction 2 M5.
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Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 10 Feb 18 at 8:41pm
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If there was no better option, you could put some small eyelets along the lens foot and tie it to the boom every 6 inches? A bit retro, but would stop it flapping. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 10 Feb 18 at 9:03pm
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Eric_c, Good point, similar to bottom of Mirror mainsail.
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