nows your chance
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Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
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Topic: nows your chance
Posted By: Gordon 1430
Subject: nows your chance
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 3:08pm
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So a number of people have expressed that they think the PY system is run on a closed committee and don't listen to anything that's being said. So now's your chance the PY committee are looking for new members are are happy to have people who are not happy with the ways its run . I believe its get involved as you seem to have so much to say some of which has been downright offensive or shut up! See interview with Bas Edmund on this website ------------- Gordon Phantom 1430 |
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 3:33pm
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Posted By: Cirrus
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 3:41pm
.... surely a no brainer for GRFi then ? (But then would you want to be a member of any 'club' that would have you ...)  Perhaps more seriously (well maybe alongside GRFi that is) I'd propose Dougal. |
Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 4:05pm
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Thanks Mike - maybe some cause and effect taking place here. The time has never been better for there to be at the very least a rethink - and yes, maybe, the result will be, after a great deal of consideration, that what we have now is as good as it will get. But let that debate be in public, with methodologies fully explained. If I am wrong to think that we could do better, that the grassroots dinghy racing community actually deserve better, then I am wrong - sh*t happens to all of us. But at least anyone who is bothered to look will see where I went wrong and hopefully, where the path to being right may be heading. Did I mention cause and effect? Well, away from this forum, where the comments were at one end of the response scale, there has been a lot of far more positive activity and yes, people wanting to do something 'different'. That 'different' may well be outside of the current RYA/PYAG thinking as the opportunities for innovation there may be limited. D ------------- Dougal H |
Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 4:35pm
| I actually want to take back some of my comments about the RYA being out of touch that I made last year. I think I was basing my views on my experiences that were out of date and what I have read and seen more recently gives me new hope and admiration. Just saying! |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 6:54pm
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Does anybody really think they're opening their doors beyond the establishment? I very much doubt it. It would however be churllsh not to at the very least volunteer my hat into the ring, haven't exactly spotted the mechanics of doing that just yet, somebody should also get Peaky on the case he's quite a clever bod and equally enthusiastic. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 7:10pm
Mark: So, if someone has read this article and wants to get involved in the http://www.rya.org.uk/" rel="nofollow - RYA Portsmouth Yardstick Committee, how should they apply? Bas: We have a great chap called Rob Taylor who looks after the day-to-day aspects handicap racing in the UK, covering both the Portsmouth Yardstick Scheme and the National Handicap for Cruisers. Contact Rob ( mailto:rob.taylor@rya.org.uk" rel="nofollow - rob.taylor@rya.org.uk / tel:023%208060%204236" rel="nofollow - 023 8060 4236 ) and he'll put you in touch with the chairman, Chris Gandy, and we'd love to get you involved. It is definitely a committee where more input strengthens the scheme moving forwards. I would rather see an active sailor making the case, so I hope iGRF you make the call ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: Cirrus
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 7:29pm
Pandora's box for sure ....... 
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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 7:31pm
| I was told by someone who ran a club PY adjustment system to Rya numbers that you know you have got it right when EVERY sailor feels hard done by!. Its just a little hard to rig your boat whilst a line of people wait to give their views. Bless them for being willing to step into the firing line |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 7:43pm
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iGRF, you go on that committee you are going to get roasted you don't apply you are going to get roasted only way out is if you get rejected then you can do the roasting edited for spelling
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 8:07pm
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If there's one thing Graeme isn't it's a shrinking violet. 😎 ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 8:23pm
| Should be an interesting first meeting if he gets in, sitting opposite all the people he has slated. |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 8:42pm
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To be fair to Graeme, he was pretty good at marketing Mistral, ran a successful Windsurfing show and was not an a***ole on the Windsurfers Importers Group (or whatever it was called), so behind all the bluster imo he could be a good representative for the club PY racing classes ... on the other hand ... ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 10:20pm
I'm reluctant. Aside from being busy (I know, I know, we all are) phrases from the interview such as: ...we can analyse performance and start to suggest revised Portsmouth numbers on a monthly basis, Our biggest challenge is persuading clubs to adjust away from the numbers that we publish. It's a simple thing to do... I think sometimes they go outside of the parameters that we're constrained by... make me think that my views are too far from the establishment thinking for me to be useful. |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 10:48pm
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Well you can't change anything from the outside, that much I do know about the RYA, and we did run a very successful committee with them for quite a few years in the early windsurfing days, providing you get someone from their side that also has some vision.
In the real world, offline, I'm a businessman, have been all my life and you don't get to do that by being unreasonable and knowing apologies cost nothing. I already chucked my hat in the ring, it would as I said be churlish not to, particularly after all my criticism, if nothing else one of two things will happen, they'll tell me to piss off, or I'll finally get to find out why they can't make it work for all of us and I'll bow out apologetically to all I've slandered over the years. As for being roasted , like that's never happened before.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 10:50pm
well done 
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 10:55pm
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Yup, definitely, I'll vote for you GRF ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 16 Jan 18 at 7:22am
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Watch EPS py
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 16 Jan 18 at 10:14am
Same as the new Laser PY by the end of the first week 1078
Oh and in the interests of the environment please don't send cash in plastic bags.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 16 Jan 18 at 12:02pm
| I feel sorry for them ... but am interested to see if any change is effected. |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 16 Jan 18 at 12:42pm
To me that's the problem, its a firing line and it shouldn't be, peoples attitudes have to change, out of the me me me culture. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 16 Jan 18 at 1:33pm
I suspect we've missed the boat on that one  ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 16 Jan 18 at 1:40pm
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The overall problem with things like this these days, they need to be run enthusiastically, not with the fear that it'll look bad on the CV if it goes pear shaped. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 16 Jan 18 at 5:40pm
| The entrance test for this role should be to explain/debunk the lee bow effect ... |