What dinghy to go for.
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Topic: What dinghy to go for.
Posted By: Andyv1968
Subject: What dinghy to go for.
Date Posted: 12 Jul 17 at 9:10pm
Looking for some advice on what dingy to buy? What a 2 hander for myself and my 9 year old who is new to sailing amd I haven't sailed for 30 years.
Was thinking of an RS Vision or Feva thinking they would be easy mmaintenance, but the GP14 and Albacore also interest me.
Any thoughts or recommendations?
It would be used mainly on inland waters and occasional seaside holidaysays.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 12 Jul 17 at 9:18pm
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How big are you, and how big is the 9 year old likely to get in the next year or so? If you're 11 stone or less and under about 5'9 the Feva would be a fine choice.
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Posted By: Andyv1968
Date Posted: 12 Jul 17 at 9:23pm
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I'm 5'11'' and 13 to 14 stone, my boy is average height and weight.
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Posted By: Ardea
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:06am
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The Feva is a youth class so will have plenty of class support, spares, events and routes into serious racing if that's something you want to follow. Best bet is to give one a try and see if you fit. With it being a big class you should be able to find someone close who will let you have a go.
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Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 3:48pm
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If you're just looking for some fun, you could pick up a Laser 2 for pennies. It will do as a 2 sail bimbler whilst you get started but as your boy grows and you both get more adventurous there is spinnaker and trapeze fun to be had.
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Posted By: Eisvogel
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 4:04pm
I was in the same situation two years ago, and I bought an Ent (without really knowing anything about the boats sailed at our club). Have been very happy with it, and my kids also like it. Easy to sail, not a huge number of controls to take care of, and more spacious than a GP14.
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 8:39pm
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The 2000 is a great option in your situation.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 8:47pm
The drawback with getting a clapped out Laser 2 for pennies is that you end up with a clapped out boat that needs lots of pounds spent on it. This may not be what you want.
A decent Enterprise or Laser 2000 wouldn't be bad choices by the sound of it. A GP14 would work too, if a bit heavy on shore. Albacore is maybe too powerful and also a bit heavy. Be very wary of old cheap fibreglass Enterprises, they usually leak like sieves. I'd only get a plastic Enterprise if it were a relatively modern one with a foam sandwich core.
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Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:23pm
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Agree that the 2000 is a great choice, but not knowing budgets I'd just say you can get 3 fair laser 2s for the cost of a ratty 2000 (which does reflect how good the 2000 is that even the crap ones aren't that cheap).
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:32pm
I'm 6'2" and 13st and sail with my 9yr old daughter who is about 1m42cm and about 5 1/2st in a Graduate, (She's been crewing for me since she was 4) and we get on really well. There are various other classes that would suit, Firefly, Miracle, Laser 2000. But as we say time and time again, look at what is sailed at your home club. If you end up with the only boat of its type its really tough to keep the interest when you have no one to directly compete against and to work off of.
If you are sailing inland on a small lake, you might get away with an Ent, Albacore etc. but at 9 your son might struggle and you might find yourself a bit on the light side.
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Posted By: Andyv1968
Date Posted: 17 Jul 17 at 6:20pm
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The laser 2ooo looks interesting, any thoughts on the Vago
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Posted By: sawman
Date Posted: 17 Jul 17 at 7:49pm
this is the role that the Miracle was made for. It's a proper little boat, that will accommodate you both well, and with the spinnaker, theres a skill to grow into. the fact that the crew sits in it os also reassuring for little uns
Over and above that its light, and this is something you need to consider when ashore, because your 9 year old will be off looking for crisps, pop or a warm shower when you need to drag it up the slipway.
Really, go no further than a Miracle for this job
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Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 18 Jul 17 at 7:53am
Did the Miracle ever get a re-launch/re-brand like a number of other older classes have.
Always struck me as a great little boat, but the only ones I ever saw in the flesh were kit builds.
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Posted By: MattK
Date Posted: 18 Jul 17 at 9:19am
Originally posted by GarethT
Did the Miracle ever get a re-launch/re-brand like a number of other older classes have.
Always struck me as a great little boat, but the only ones I ever saw in the flesh were kit builds. |
Yes, there are GRP ones, pretty ideal little machines for the right circumstance, which for us was my grandfather wanting something relatively light and easy to sail in a small bit of water
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 18 Jul 17 at 10:04am
Miracles are alive and well thank you very much, Banditing all over our lake and occasionally on the sea, fully agree they are good at doing the parent child thing opening up endless opportunity for child abuse and prolonging the museum piece sailing association that the majority of this sport is.
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Posted By: sawman
Date Posted: 18 Jul 17 at 6:52pm
Originally posted by GarethT
Did the Miracle ever get a re-launch/re-brand like a number of other older classes have.
Always struck me as a great little boat, but the only ones I ever saw in the flesh were kit builds. |
Never re-branded, but they are quite snazzy these days - Laminate sails are the latest. My last one was a proper looker, with fireballesque holes in the foredeck for the spinny bags
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Posted By: jim
Date Posted: 13 Sep 17 at 10:17pm
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I regularly sail a Hartley wayfarer with a lead centreboard which makes it very stable and almost uncapsizable...it is a great boat especially if you're beginning and even gas an Assymetric for downwind fun! It's the sort of boat that we will probably keep for a long time
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 14 Sep 17 at 10:06am
I'm not sure I'd want to haul a Wayfarer up the slip with only a 9 year old to help.........
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Posted By: Time Lord
Date Posted: 14 Sep 17 at 6:40pm
Both 2000 and Vago are heavy for their size/sail area. When alongside one inthe Merlin and you get a gust, they are quickly left behind. One new Vago atthe club weighed in at some 20kgs over Laser claimed hull weight. Newer 2ks may be more down to weight no that Laser don't build them but still heavy.
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Posted By: snowleopard
Date Posted: 12 Feb 18 at 3:42pm
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My first thought is that a young lad will want something fairly exciting. Plodding around in a wayfarer will have him wanting to leave Dad behind and join the cool kids on the flying machines.
I taught my daughters on an International 14; it suited our sailing at the time - on the Thames - but would have been a bit much elsewhere. What did keep their interest was being in one of the fastest boats in the fleet.
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