49er jib attachment
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Topic: 49er jib attachment
Posted By: ifoxwell
Subject: 49er jib attachment
Date Posted: 14 Mar 17 at 2:12pm
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Hi guys Can some one help please A friend of mine has bought an old 49er for sh*ts and giggles and he is slowly getting it ready to sail. We pulled up a jib for the first time today, he has 2, and the first had clips to hold it to the forestay as expected but the other (both are Neil Prides) just had cloth loops! Are we meant to thread the forestay through these or more likely, what are we missing? Can some one please advise Cheers Ian ------------- RS300 |
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 14 Mar 17 at 2:24pm
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Never sailed one but I've seen the pics of the loops. Does it have a wire luff? If not then I'd guess you have to thread the forestay through it before hoisting (hold the mast up with a trap wire while you do so then use the boat breaker to tension the forestay). Will have a quick scan of Higher and Faster as IIRC they show rigging the 49er at some point.
Edit :- Yup, that's how they do it :) And jib cunningham (tack downhaul?) to the back hole in the forestay fitting with the bottom corner of the jib in line with the top of the ferrule, then jib sheet to the centre hole on the clew plate......
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 14 Mar 17 at 2:40pm
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http://www.49er.org.uk/cms/upload_area/downloads/49er-owner-manual.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.49er.org.uk/cms/upload_area/downloads/49er-owner-manual.pdf
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Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 14 Mar 17 at 3:26pm
Thanks but this doesnt help... it only talks about the clips, what do we do when the jib doesn't have any? ------------- RS300 |
Posted By: MartinG
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 8:58am
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The cloth loops have little flat clips that you press to undo, then put round the forestay and slide back together as you hoist the jib
------------- 49er 865 K6 159 RS800 1133 (sold) |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 9:04am
Thanks but no. We have two sails, both Neil Prides, and one does indeed have the clips as you would expect the other just cloth loops, stitch both sides and with no means of disconnecting? ------------- RS300 |
Posted By: MartinG
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 9:29am
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Seems like a bodge job, possibly due to unavailability of replacement clips (they did break fairly regularly!). You will probably have to thread the forestay through them, as in the post above. Can you ask the previous owner? ------------- 49er 865 K6 159 RS800 1133 (sold) |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 9:43am
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Probably wouldn't cost a great deal to get a sailmaker to sort it out? ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: Fatboi
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 1:46pm
| Are you sure that they havent just ripped off and you need new ones on there? |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 2:02pm
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 2:27pm
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I had a jib like that once and it came with a wire in it and you had another bit of string to put in place to stop the mast falling down when you de rigged, the next generation came with a permanent wire and clips, Alto mk 1 & 2.
Here's an idea get a bit of spectra kite(surfing) leader line and thread that up there if all you are doing is larking about. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 3:18pm
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Hi Graham Thats an option although we rigged it at lunchtime by just threading the forestay through it whilst rigging and it worked ok. Bit of a faff getting the forestay end fitting through all the loops but it worked ok so will probably do as a solution for now. Thanks to everyone for your help and ideas ------------- RS300 |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 4:04pm
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http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/picture-of-sailors-christopher-gundersen-and-frode-bovim-of-norway-picture-id82237938 http://www.sailing.org/images/galleries/08_OG_49er_MR_DEN_Warrer2_600_rdax_60.jpg http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sailors-chris-rast-and-tim-wadlow-of-the-usa-prepare-for-the-start-of-picture-id82238069 ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 4:49pm
Sorry but what am I missing, lots of nice pictures with a job thats clipped on.... I know how they clip on we have one that does that.... but the jib in question is different even though its from the same manufacturer and its this difference that I am questioning? ------------- RS300 |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 5:14pm
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Are there two loops at each hank point, or just one? If two are they different lengths? |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 16 Mar 17 at 9:22am
There is just one loop, cleaning stitched with no sign that any thing else has been removed or broken. ------------- RS300 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 16 Mar 17 at 9:48am
| Does sound suspiciously as if the jib has lost its clips. If its just a fun blasting boat then as Mr Fuller says why not run a piece of dyneema through the loops and try flying the jib separately from the forestay? A length of old halyard or something should do to try. If it sags off like crazy you'll have to rethink, but otherwise... You could even thread a few old style snap shackles through the line to keep the sail nearer the forestay, but that sounds like money unless you can find some, so it might be better to get clips put back. |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 16 Mar 17 at 10:06am
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If it has lost its clips some one did a fantastic job of unstitching the old webbing... and why then put a webbing loop on instead? Its all so neat I would say that it has come out of teh factory like it. Its old so perhaps it was a first generation sail and they quickly switched to clips and so no one has ever seen one like this Ian ------------- RS300 |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 16 Mar 17 at 11:16am
I thought it might be helpful. I won't bother in future. ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 16 Mar 17 at 11:23am
Probably right. Could be a cunning ruse to stop people leavving the rig tension on? I can't think of any clip you could easily add that wouldn't be a risk to the kite. What's it like to sail? Should aging mere mortals be looking to have a go? |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 16 Mar 17 at 11:27am
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No idea what its like just yet, we are still putting the pieces back together.... but when the day comes, and if I live to tell the tail I'll let you all know ------------- RS300 |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 16 Mar 17 at 11:46am
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A mate has one, he bought it because he thought it would be easier than the Musto he bought last year!!!!!!! Actually it probably is with an experienced crewmate, he has had some serious coaching from a good skiff sailor but I'm not sure he's anywhere near sailing it without said skiffy bod yet..... ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |