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Topic: RYA Safe & Fun

Posted By: turnturtle
Subject: RYA Safe & Fun
Date Posted: 02 Feb 17 at 1:46pm

Quick question following the recent historic allegations in Football Clubs....

Should this course be mandatory for ALL volunteers at any club that runs youth & junior sailing or allows youth and junior sailing to participate in the main club?

My own personal view is that a mandatory online course for 15 quid over the internet is probably not enough and smacks a little of playing lip service to a wider issue in sport.... any sports or activities my children participate in require any adult supervisor, volunteer or otherwise, to be fully CRB checked.. as a parent I kind of take that level of checking for granted these days.

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 02 Feb 17 at 4:14pm

Safe and fun is perfect for ensuring an instructor doesn't get into situations where he or she is left open to allegations, and ok at teaching instructors how to spot issues themselves. It isn't designed to stop sex offenders.

DBS checking doesn't teach anything, it just shows that the person in question didn't have a criminal record at the time of the check.

Safe and Fun might help instructors pick up on something off with another instructor, and will have taught them what to do with that info. However, it is pretty basic.

Any commercial centre will expect both, and more clubs do too.

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Posted By: zippyRN
Date Posted: 02 Feb 17 at 5:02pm

Originally posted by Rupert

Safe and fun is perfect for ensuring an instructor doesn't get into situations where he or she is left open to allegations, and ok at teaching instructors how to spot issues themselves. It isn't designed to stop sex offenders.

DBS checking doesn't teach anything, it just shows that the person in question didn't have a criminal record at the time of the check.

Safe and Fun might help instructors pick up on something off with another instructor, and will have taught them what to do with that info. However, it is pretty basic.

Any commercial centre will expect both, and more clubs do too.

child and 'vulnerable adult' protection ( within the legal meaning of that term) is a combination things

1. training for staff and volunteers in safe systems of work and in the topc in general
2. awareness of what is good practice among the YP / VA and parents / carers

3. Monitoring and screening e.g. DBS and i don't know if the RYA maintains it;s own watch lists but AIUI a number of organisations maintain watch lists where individuals are suspected but left the organisation before there was sufficient evidence of adequate quality to go to the police /social services ...

Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 04 Feb 17 at 10:30pm

Only real diligence works, one or two individuals need to make sure all safe guarding measures are being followed and absolutely never relax - as a parent I've been to clubs both my kids wanted to join until I was convinced people like this were involved.

And yes I do volunteer and help run events and I did have a CBS check and didn't object etc....

Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Feb 17 at 11:32am

many groups within organisations that run child/youth groups scouts, girl guides etc, have been forced to close, due to lack of volunteers, people citing fear of being accused of abuse (maliciously), very difficult issue.

Posted By: zippyRN
Date Posted: 05 Feb 17 at 5:28pm

Originally posted by 423zero

many groups within organisations that run child/youth groups scouts, girl guides etc, have been forced to close, due to lack of volunteers, people citing fear of being accused of abuse (maliciously), very difficult issue.

DBS 'checking' is often cited as areason for people not volunteering, interestingly enough ususally by those wo are looking for excuses why they don;t volunteer despite being vocal that there aren;t volunteers ...

It is not a check , you cannot 'pass it' although you can ' fail ' by virtue of being on one of the barred lists.

Despite the gossip ridden ature of some organisations i have never been made aware of a situation where DBS disclosure information has been released , primarily becasue access to the disclosures is very limited by the DBS themselves .

the biggest boundaries to volunteering are lack of flexibility and idiocy among other more long serviing volunteers ... closely followed by internal sh*t stirring by people who really ought to be shown the door but don;t do enough to get caught out.