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Topic: Elvstrom
Posted By: KazRob
Subject: Elvstrom
Date Posted: 07 Dec 16 at 8:35pm
It appears that the great Paul Elvstrom passed away today. He was a true living legend and it is a sad day indeed for competitive sailing. Our thoughts must be with his family but also our thanks must be with his legacy
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 07 Dec 16 at 8:52pm
The greatest, a true sportsman, athlete and inspiration for several generations of dinghy sailors.  Our community should think of a way to celebrate his life.

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Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 07 Dec 16 at 8:57pm
One of the true greats of sailing.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 07 Dec 16 at 8:59pm
Yup, his book 'Expert Dinghy Racing' was my dad's (and my) bible back in the day. I still have my copy.

A bad year for dinghy sailors (even worse for musicians though)



Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 Dec 16 at 10:38pm
Just the best. Sailor, sail maker, innovator, designer. Our sport would have been very different without him, even in the bubble that is the UK.

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 07 Dec 16 at 10:58pm
Greatest sailor of all time.


Posted By: Mike Holt
Date Posted: 08 Dec 16 at 2:51am
The very best.


Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 09 Dec 16 at 9:35pm
Never knew him, never met him, before my time, but recognise a truly spirited sailor who did it for all the right reasons.

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Posted By: laser47
Date Posted: 18 Dec 16 at 11:49pm
Anyone else a bit cheesed off with the BBC completely ignoring Paul Elvstrom at this year's Sports Personality of the Year?

Not only did they miss him off the list of notable deaths but they declared Michael Phelps the first person to win 4 Golds consecutively in the same event. Elvstrom beat him by 56 years when he won his gold #4 in 1960 in the 'single person dinghy event' - the fact the equipment for this event changed from the Firefly to the Finn doesn't change the achievement.


Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 19 Dec 16 at 7:17am
Nor has there been a broadsheet obituary, well not in the Times anyway.  Shocking.

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 19 Dec 16 at 7:47am
Presumably he was all over the Danish version? No excuse not to mention him in the international bit, or get facts wrong.

Nor were Mills and Clark on the team of the year shortlist, when the rowers were.

I would complain about Murray winning again, but actually, he has had a pretty damn fine year, achieving stuff both in the Olympics and out, and being world number 1.

Rupertson spotted Nicky in the crowd, but we didn't see Winging It.

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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 19 Dec 16 at 8:00am
Presumably no BBC coverage of Elvstrom ... so not interested. SPOTY is only interested in BBC covered sports or events ... hence Tennis and the Olympics, saves money to pay for the Genting Arena.  Andy deserved to win but why did they not recognise Nick Skelton's horse?

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Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 19 Dec 16 at 8:09am
Rupert,
As you know, one of my 'other jobs' is to write the more detailed obituaries when the occasion demands - last year it was Greg Gregory and 'Big Bev' Moss, this year Paul E. We're lucky in that Mark Jardine is happy to carry articles that are more of a retrospective than the more classical obit, but elsewhere there is, I am afraid to say, very little appetite for including obits. Two, no three Christmas' ago, just up the road from me here on the Island, Bill McCutcheon died. Now I knew Bill a tad and was happy to write something up for him but I had 'no takers' - not even the local press wanted to carry a look at the life and times of a real gentlemen and classic boatbuilder.

This issue will get worse, as the headliners from that golden generation of early post war championship sailing reach their own finish lines - but don't expect these passings to be given anything more than a paragraph or two (if we're lucky).

With respect to Paul, as I tried to gently point out in the obituary carried on this website, his greatest fame stemmed from a time that was not one but two generations past.. My guess is that if you polled many of the younger sailors of today they'd know Elvstrom as a name from the past, but not someone that they see has any relevance to the sailing world of today. However, that doesn't make right the ignorance shown by so much of the media, a shameful overlooking of someone with such a great record.

As well as writing the obituary for Y&Y.com, I did a number of others. But when a major print publication  asks for an obituary for someone of the stature of Paul and gives you a maximum word count of 300 words, you know that the battle is lost!

Cheers

Dougal


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Posted By: jaydub
Date Posted: 19 Dec 16 at 8:20am
Originally posted by Dougaldog

Rupert,
As you know, one of my 'other jobs' is to write the more detailed obituaries when the occasion demands - last year it was Greg Gregory and 'Big Bev' Moss, this year Paul E. We're lucky in that Mark Jardine is happy to carry articles that are more of a retrospective than the more classical obit, but elsewhere there is, I am afraid to say, very little appetite for including obits. Two, no three Christmas' ago, just up the road from me here on the Island, Bill McCutcheon died. Now I knew Bill a tad and was happy to write something up for him but I had 'no takers' - not even the local press wanted to carry a look at the life and times of a real gentlemen and classic boatbuilder.

This issue will get worse, as the headliners from that golden generation of early post war championship sailing reach their own finish lines - but don't expect these passings to be given anything more than a paragraph or two (if we're lucky).

With respect to Paul, as I tried to gently point out in the obituary carried on this website, his greatest fame stemmed from a time that was not one but two generations past.. My guess is that if you polled many of the younger sailors of today they'd know Elvstrom as a name from the past, but not someone that they see has any relevance to the sailing world of today. However, that doesn't make right the ignorance shown by so much of the media, a shameful overlooking of someone with such a great record.

As well as writing the obituary for Y&Y.com, I did a number of others. But when a major print publication  asks for an obituary for someone of the stature of Paul and gives you a maximum word count of 300 words, you know that the battle is lost!

Cheers

Dougal
Very eloquently put.

There were two books in my youth that really fired me up:  Robin Stevenson's When Dinghies Delight and Elvstrom speaks.  Worth a read as it still gives me the same joy 40 years on.  Gone, but not forgotten.


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 19 Dec 16 at 8:33am
Curiously of all papers the mail printed one. Was surprised when Google threw that up.


Posted By: cad99uk
Date Posted: 19 Dec 16 at 12:15pm
Jaydub, When dinghies delight- good choice. Read it as a yoof then found a signed copy in Hay on Wye some years ago.
Just taken it off the bookshelf for a Christmas read. Thanks for the reminder.


Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 19 Dec 16 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by cad99uk

Jaydub, When dinghies delight- good choice. Read it as a yoof then found a signed copy in Hay on Wye some years ago.
Just taken it off the bookshelf for a Christmas read. Thanks for the reminder.
And "Marks to Starboard"
 



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Posted By: jaydub
Date Posted: 19 Dec 16 at 8:58pm
Originally posted by davidyacht

Originally posted by cad99uk

Jaydub, When dinghies delight- good choice. Read it as a yoof then found a signed copy in Hay on Wye some years ago.
Just taken it off the bookshelf for a Christmas read. Thanks for the reminder.
And "Marks to Starboard"
There was a third one as well, on 14s IIRC.  They were all in my local library at the time.  I liked them so much, I considered accidentally losing them. ;)

Howard republished "When Dinghies Delight" a few years back, so I at least I have an honest copy of one of them.


Posted By: Gfinch
Date Posted: 20 Dec 16 at 7:45pm
There was a short obituary and picture in the 'i'.

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Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 17 Jan 17 at 11:56am
I've just realised there ought to be a link somewhere in this discussion, for the benefit of future readers:

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