interesting rig
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Topic: interesting rig
Posted By: gordon1277
Subject: interesting rig
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 10:01am
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the Plymouth win or swim has a 3000 with an interesting rig shown in the photos.
It looks like the leach comes into the battern ends at batten. I wonder if they are using the standard PY or if it is heaps quicker. ------------- Gordon Lossc |
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 10:26am
This one?
Cheeky bandit if they are.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 12:24pm
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What's a battern? Edit: Ah a batten! ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 2:25pm
| That style of leech has been around on windsurfing sails for a while. I suspect it's purely cosmetic like many windsurfing industry 'innovations'. More significant is the huge square head which will promote twist and put a lot of extra area high up in the rig. |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 2:33pm
having just bought a 'highly innovative' windsurf sail from Severne, I'm also skeptical about some of the so-say benefits. it certainly seems a lot less easy to manage than my old Demon 9.5 race sail - but that really was a thing of beauty, and simplicity.
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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 3:06pm
No Tom I thought he had a marsh bird shoved up his sail as well 
Sorry spell check in my head failed ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 3:19pm
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Interesting Jib can't say I remember that much overlap on my old 3k, I'd love to race that off 1074 at Hythe, that would wind the Merlin crew up. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 3:32pm
| Demon Sails rule. Superb design and built to the highest standards with the best materials rather than down to a price. I have a 30 year old 7.5 VG5 that is still serviceable. I'm selling my Raceboard kit but keeping the newer (only 15 year old) VG5 7.5m for lighter wind short board sailing. |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 3:43pm
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I had my 9.5 on a 120L Futura and it was fine up to about 16 knots of wind.... then it got a little backhanded. I do wonder whether a quiver of 6.0, 7.5 and 9.5 Demon/Five Oceans is all you actually need for free riding with speed and comfort!!! |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 4:03pm
| Sean Cox (Demon Design Sails founder) used to reckon the 7.5 VG5 was good for 3-30 knots. Not so sure about that but I've raced in 20+ knots with it and it was fast and controllable if not especially comfortable. Faster than anything else back in the day, especially in the light stuff, only the Reflex could match to for power but I had one for a short while and found it much harder to use than the Demon. Definitely has a much wider usable wind range than most and I rarely changed down, if I did it was really howling. Great sails. |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 4:10pm
 VG5 powered me to 4th out of over 100 at the NWF a couple of years ago in light winds.... I wasn't even on a 'proper' race board.
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Posted By: LASERNUT
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 7:22pm
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Needs more luff curve on the main ------------- Sailmakers https://morgan-sails.com/ |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 9:25pm
| Or a stiffer mast ;) |
Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 9:34pm
| Possibly as the boat is heeling and the main does not appear to be centred they are intentionally depowering with a load of cunningham. |
Posted By: LASERNUT
Date Posted: 06 Oct 16 at 10:50pm
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Stiffer mast would work - new mast is a bit more expensive then adding a bit more on the luff :-)
You shouldn't really have any creases from luff to clew at any point ( other types of creases do happen and that's another whole issue). Heeling doesn't make any difference it's how hard you need to pull on the leech to get the right twist and having the right luff curve to match how much the mast bends. ------------- Sailmakers https://morgan-sails.com/ |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 07 Oct 16 at 9:09am
| I don't think they are creases... Looks more like 2 seams running diagonal to me...? |
Posted By: LASERNUT
Date Posted: 07 Oct 16 at 9:49am
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That's even worse if it is. A panel layout like that is pretty bad. I would hope that it just needs a luff mod! ------------- Sailmakers https://morgan-sails.com/ |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 07 Oct 16 at 9:56am
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This was in Plymouth Sound on Saturday. Quite windy. Half the entrants didn't go out, so maybe a bit harsh to find too many faults? http://rwyc.org/blog/2016/10/05/the-win-or-swim-cup-round-1/ |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 07 Oct 16 at 10:24am
Some damn good sailors (ie Olympic medallists) in the past have said that you should have "overbend wrinkles" radiating from clew to luff when the sail is fully depowered. Most of the wrinkles in the pic just look like the usual ones you get when you have the cunningham eased to get the draft aft. There's no alternative way to move the draft aft, and wrinkles are faster than having the draft in the wrong place. The ones running along the diagonal seam aren't pretty, but whether they actually slow the boat down is another issue.
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Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 07 Oct 16 at 10:33am
It's a flying mammal that lives on the seashore and comes out at night. ------------- sailcraftblog.wordpress.com The history and design of the racing dinghy. |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 07 Oct 16 at 11:11am
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A long row of floodlights (qv), wired as three or four circuits.Found on http://www.encyclo.co.uk/local/21207" rel="nofollow - http://www.encyclo.co.uk/local/21207 |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 07 Oct 16 at 11:21am
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Well, yes, obviously the battern has floodlights.....how else could a mammal see well enough at night to fly safely? They have two under each wing when juveniles, and grow a third when mature. Derrr.... Where I come from no one goes out after dark for fear of getting hit by flying extension cords. ------------- sailcraftblog.wordpress.com The history and design of the racing dinghy. |
Posted By: jaydub
Date Posted: 07 Oct 16 at 8:45pm
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Looks like a poor man's attempt at radial to me. The diagonal things emanating from the clew are definitely seams. I can see some slight creasing near the tack, but that is it. Or do I need to get my eyes tested again?
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Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 08 Oct 16 at 10:46am
Looks to me like as much area as you could reasonably put on that mast? Nobody's asked the big question: Wot's the kite like? |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Oct 16 at 10:56am
Bet your life it's the V3000 kite that I recall is bigger than the L3k, was it even a mast head affair, can't remember now, but there was a lot of banditry surrounding the L3k with them being turned out using V3k bits a couple of years back at our place and with the agreement of the L3k class of the period. Does anyone else think there's quite a lot of mastbend curve for an alloy job, did they fit carbon spars to the V3k? Maybe it's a carbon rig? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 10 Oct 16 at 2:51pm
| It certainly doesn't look very windy in those pictures... for half the fleet not to bother going out that's pretty bad. The crew on the 3000 isn't even on the wire in half of the pictures. Certainly never flat wiring! |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 10 Oct 16 at 6:16pm
I was sailing not ever so far away. The forecast was quite fierce, I was surprised we got a race TBH. There were some 'interesting' squalls at times. Not sure where in Plymouth Sound the pics were taken? It can be shifty and turbulent around there as the wind comes over fairly high land. People will have entered for the series and not go an a forecast like that. |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 10 Oct 16 at 6:25pm
You can put whatever rig on it. The hull remains shall be say one of life's little compromises? If that main works well on an ali mast to give a responsive, auto-depowering rig with extra area, that's progress isn't it? Unless it relies on super-dooper battens which cost more than a carbon mast..... Provided it lasts reasonably well? I could imagine such a sail might not keep its shape as the material ages? I was trying to work out how many races my 400 sails have done. It's a lot! |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 12 Oct 16 at 3:34pm
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Looks like the wind is coming from the Tamar/Drakes Island area.
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