D-One Gold Cup Scoring
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Topic: D-One Gold Cup Scoring
Posted By: jeffers
Subject: D-One Gold Cup Scoring
Date Posted: 19 Sep 16 at 7:38am
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http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/192311" rel="nofollow - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/192311 According to the above Nick lost on countback. According to the std scoring in the RRS countback goes on best scores, Nick has 3 firsts the guy who wont only 2. Any ideas? My only though is the NoR/SI's amended the scoring/tie break but I cannot see them online anywhere. ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
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Posted By: rich4rd
Date Posted: 19 Sep 16 at 8:47am
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http://www.fragliavelariva.it/sites/default/files/regatta/r2072-notice-f4607.pdf Note 11 |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 19 Sep 16 at 8:50am
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Best discard wins is how I read that ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 19 Sep 16 at 9:04am
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Nope race 6 placing decides is how I read it. Far too much emphasis on 1 race there for my liking! ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 9:20am
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Winning a regatta by only coming 1st or 2nd seems fair play to me. |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 9:49am
surely all ties are broken by one race? ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 9:55am
| All tie breaks are essentially arbitrary, I don't think you can ever say one is right and one is wrong. Personally I'm not very keen on them, and would rather we accept a tie is a tie, but of course that's not much help if there's a bit of silverware to take home. |
Posted By: Cirrus
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 10:31am
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I personally fail to see what on earth was
wrong with breaking ties by looking at the discards ... 'best' discard being
the decider. If the first discard does not break the tie ... then
the second etc. This will break the vast majority of 'ties'. If still
'tied' after all discards considered I'd then declare a (very rare) 'draw'
myself. |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 10:33am
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Broken on the result of the last race ... seems fair enough and simple to understand without having to revert to the full series scores. You always need to brake ties ...
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 10:34am
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If we accept discards as being a way of coping with bad luck it makes sense for discards to be discards.
Last race countback is a crude way of identifying someone who has been getting faster as the series progresses, which is as worthy an aim as any. |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 11:03am
Maybe when sailing has been dropped from the Olympics we will be able to go back to two hour races, triangle sausage triangle, finishes at a windward mark and tie breaks on the discard ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 12:39pm
But what if you have your bad luck in the last race, surely using the discard rewards better overall performance? We once did a handicap regatta with three races, last race was worth double and counted. Bit like a gold medal race. We won the first two races, then the course was changed before race three because "we were getting too much of an advantage by putting the spinnaker up" which nullified any spinnaker legs. We came second in R3 and second over all with a (1),1,4 = 5 The winner had a (5),2,2 = 4 Felt a little hard done by......... |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 1:39pm
| Change for changes sake very often I feel. Many years ago we used the discards to break ties, then it became common practice to use 'count back' with the most first places, then the most seconds etc and now this daft 'medal race' system! If you're going to do a 'medal race' then do just that, all previous races are qualifiers, the top ten get into the medal race and whoever wins gets the gold. OTOH I definitely wouldn't favour that method and count back seems the fairest to me. I also preferred the ¾ point for first place race winners bonus which served to reduce the likelihood of a tie but that's long gone too. |
Posted By: Saraband
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 4:34pm
| Giving some relevance to the last race score at least keeps more of the fleet on the water for the last race, rather than seeing the event leaders bailing out after perhaps just one race on the last day so they can get back ashore for an early shower and pack-up.........personally I need all the races I can to get anywhere decent a score! |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 5:23pm
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Last event I did had a non discardable last race. Happened to boost us up the fleet, having had a bad first day, but I'm not entirely happy with the concept. Why not no discards, and accept that bad luck is just the way life is sometimes. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 5:58pm
But if the hotshots take an early bath it gives us ordinary mortals a chance of at least one decent race result to brag about
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Posted By: Tom J
Date Posted: 21 Sep 16 at 3:55pm
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Err... for 99% of events the SIs on tie breaks (or anything else) don't have to follow the ISAF / World Sailing format. The rules and guidance are written primarily for top end of the sport but as has been pointed out that doesn't make it necessarily applicable to everyone. It's not gospel, event organisers should use it as a basis and then tailor them to suit whatever participants are involved.
Obviously not all clubs or classes will want to deviate from the guidance but if you don't like an SI there's nothing to stop you questioning it or suggesting an alternative with the organisers... |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 21 Sep 16 at 4:57pm
| True, and that's something I have done an quite a few occasions when I've had a hand in race organisation. My holiday club don't run line starts, the reason probably is that we encourage novice/non racers to take part and, as the start is possibly the most complex part of the race, beach starts allow them to join in with minimum embarrassment. It does seem to work as we've managed 20+ boats at nearly every race this year ranging from Mirrors and a Devon Coble to a Musto and a 49er. |