New Italian 4m Dinghy
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Topic: New Italian 4m Dinghy
Posted By: JimC
Subject: New Italian 4m Dinghy
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 5:19pm
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Some interesting ideas, and also some very unconventional ones. Don't know that I've ever seen a flush decked dinghy with bulwarks, and the hull shape is certainly different. Think this one qualifies as sufficiently alien to my experience that its safer not to comment! |
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 5:23pm
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Woggles on the gunwales to sit on, too. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 5:26pm
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Certainly a bit of very good looking bit of Italian design, but difficult to assess just how good it would be to sail. Not sure how good sitting out would be even with the padded bits in some photos. ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 5:32pm
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I guess there has to be some features of merit in it for someone. BUT. Sitting upright in that flat deck straight leg position would knack my lower back in no time and I would think it would take two men an' a boy to rotate it from inverted. BTW if we had a summer the sunbathing aft deck could be nice.
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Posted By: iiiiticki
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 8:01pm
| Has it really got pub carpet glued on the deck? |
Posted By: boatshed
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 8:32pm
As Jeremy Clarkson quipped about the Italian police "its how you look and not about directing the traffic" If they can be bothered, the Italians do have an unerring ability to do great design. Throw in superb engineering and that heady mix probably explains why many of my £s have gone into buying Alfas. Thanks Jim, I'll have a better look at the info later. ------------- Steve |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 9:11pm
| You certainly can't call it derivative, looks striking and is reasonably priced I think but as a dinghy to sail and use I would say that it could well be all fur coat and no knickers |
Posted By: iiiiticki
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 9:26pm
I bought an Alfa yesterday, pick it up tomorrow.
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Posted By: iiiiticki
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 9:27pm
It has no kicker?
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Posted By: boatshed
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 9:38pm
Who gives a feck about that? Its about posing and attracting the girls at the Italian lakes. Obvs not for a cold, British reservoir. ------------- Steve |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 9:39pm
Any perhaps even more to the point, dinghies don't have any electrics... |
Posted By: boatshed
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 9:49pm
Ah, the old ones are the best. You may have been unlucky as I was with a BMW 330D and its endless 'puter and electrical issues. I think most of the leccy bits on my Alfa are Bosch... Do Magneti Marelli still exist? ------------- Steve |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 9:58pm
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Fur coat and no kicker - I like that, iiiiitick!
But then, I hit a milestone today, metaphorically, and may have had some cider. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: iiiiticki
Date Posted: 21 Apr 16 at 11:49pm
I have owned very many cars.....BMW's always reliable. My favorite ever car was an Alfasud 1.5 ti. During my ownership everything fell off, but I loved it! Tomorrow I pick up Alfa 147 lusso, 2 ltr. One of my sons has an Alfa Brera....just fabulous!
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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 22 Apr 16 at 12:18am
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Well I enjoyed playing with the configuration tool. And what joy it will be to read grf's blog from when he gets his woodworking tools out and builds his kit. But it needs a sprit, double size kite and a trapeze. Hiking or kneeling on this would be awful. ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: realnutter
Date Posted: 22 Apr 16 at 12:42am
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If you want to build a 4 metre-ish boat from a kit of pre cut parts this looks a much better bet... http://www.fyneboatkits.co.uk/kits/sailing/national-12/" rel="nofollow - http://www.fyneboatkits.co.uk/kits/sailing/national-12/ Forget that it's designed to fit N12 class rules... fit a nice una rig with trapeze and have fun.... |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 22 Apr 16 at 8:43am
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I think I'd be visiting the forestay a lot if trapping on that hull shape.
A 12 foot version of the Hadron might be nice, but I suspect KC sees a crowded market section there, even more than the 14 footers. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 22 Apr 16 at 8:51am
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At 2000euro for the kit you could probably re-construct it with a cockpit ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 22 Apr 16 at 8:59am
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Zen
So the Italians have launched a Zen the same year Bruce Kirby and Ken Swarbick also launched Zen. Should they have a humming session to decide who has the most Zen. Reminds me of a certain Aero Zero thing recently. The Kirby Zen was at the dinghy show and is mentioned in Y&Y Mag which so few here seem to enjoy. ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 22 Apr 16 at 9:34am
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So, in the spirit of Aero/zero, one will end up as the Aen? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 22 Apr 16 at 10:10am
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I quite like the lines and look of it, if they had class rules that insisted you stay inside the gunwhales it could also be interesting, cut out all that ungentlemanly hiking nonesense.
Can't see it being that quick in light weather, but it probably would get a fair lick on a Garda reach. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for any blog from me about building one, not at two grand for a bunch of marine ply and a usb stick. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 22 Apr 16 at 11:00am
| I like the look of it.... one of those unique, quirky things that might generate a few dozen around the world and couple of evangelical owners or two, shunning the mainstream and our (boring) re-hashes of the tried and tested laser unarig hiking formula. |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 22 Apr 16 at 11:07am
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Hull shape is interesting. Internal deck layout terrible. Rig, an abomination, driven by poor deck layout / concept of no righting moment. Strangely it would be better if it were a blasted semi keel boat with singlehanded trapeze... the way it has been designed, rather than a lazy hiker. IMHO. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 22 Apr 16 at 5:01pm
| I think the designer sums it up, you can lie across back to sun bathe using cushions for pillows. |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 23 Apr 16 at 8:00pm
| Could be the quickest turtling dinghy ever built.... |