505 rope carpet
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Topic: 505 rope carpet
Posted By: salmon80
Subject: 505 rope carpet
Date Posted: 22 Mar 16 at 7:43pm
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wow, what a lot of string the 5-oh has! Like a Persian rug I wonder if all that string makes the boat faster? Seems excessive to me
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Posted By: Oinks
Date Posted: 22 Mar 16 at 7:57pm
Doesn't look so bad to me...!
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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 22 Mar 16 at 7:59pm
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I think they will say it's about control and with the control comes speed. Five Oh is a powerful boat that appears to be capable of operating well over a wide range of conditions, racing consistently in big winds and seas. Maybe all those strings do something for those who know which one to pull and how hard. |
Posted By: iiiiticki
Date Posted: 22 Mar 16 at 8:12pm
| ....try looking at a Dutchman.... |
Posted By: realnutter
Date Posted: 22 Mar 16 at 8:23pm
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I looked at a brand new Merlin on Saturday... I reckon there was more metreage (is that a word? footage if you prefer) of rope than of fibre in the hull!! The only adjustable bits I could see, that couldn't be adjusted on the water, were the spreader angle adjuster screws... Perhaps I should shut up and stop giving them ideas... |
Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 22 Mar 16 at 10:27pm
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Sure are a lot of ropes, however it always looks more organised when sailing when there is tension in the system. As said earlier the boat/rig is very powerful and the controls make it pretty easy to adjust while under way, means you can change gear easily during a race and control the rig in pretty high winds.  |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 22 Mar 16 at 10:58pm
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I do it every year, check out the five oh, see how much I understand, I'm getting quite good now, but it's been nearly ten years, so I'm feeling quite chuffed with myself, then I come across this black bitch of a Merlin stringfest.. straight back in the corner sporting the cone hat with the D on it. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Mike Holt
Date Posted: 23 Mar 16 at 3:39am
| The 5O5's really are a lot less complicated than the picture makes it look! As said, when under tension and sailing they are all close to hand, run easily and give great control to the rig and sheeting set up. When everything is set up correctly the boats are fast and a joy to sail, when you get it wrong you can find yourself fighting the boat, over-powered and a handful. Hence the string! |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 23 Mar 16 at 8:51am
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are they any more complicated than the cats cradle that is a modern merlin rocket? ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 23 Mar 16 at 9:08am
The Merlin is simpler than the 505. But it's all just relatively simple systems, just quite a lot of them so it's hard to follow what's what. The raking gear on a Merlin is the big deal, it interlinks shrouds, jib halyard, kicker, mast puller and lowers, so you can adjust rake without adjusting anything else as a consequence. Keith Callaghan of this parish has drawings on his website: http://www.bluelightning.co.uk/Merlins/MRTechnical.shtm |
Posted By: iiiiticki
Date Posted: 23 Mar 16 at 9:49am
| Someone once told me that all that complication was just controlled by two strings....so if it is set up right it is simple. |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 23 Mar 16 at 9:51am
One continuous loop does rake. |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 24 Mar 16 at 6:33am
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The most complex additional bit in 505s for me is the centreboard controls - to move the pivot forward/back and up/down, not something I've seen to such a degree elsewhere (although did see a FD with some kind of pivot point adjustment once allowign the board 'bolt' to travel front/back - I think!. Other than that, to me at least, all the rest in a 505 looks like you see elsewhere; raking rig, adjustable forestay, lowers, pole launchers, pole height, kicker, cunno, outhaul, jib cars etc... is there something else lurking in there somewhere I'm missing? |
Posted By: salmon80
Date Posted: 24 Mar 16 at 6:54am
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They have an adjustable cb pivot! Wow that's more than I thought :0 Do remember an FD at the dinghy show years ago, think it had a system which adjusted the angle that the Cunningham pulled down at - so an adjustment of the adjuster ;)
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Posted By: Presuming Ed
Date Posted: 24 Mar 16 at 7:19am
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Only boat I've seen with shroud tracks and adjustable tension. And dinghy with separate sheets and guys on the spinnaker.
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Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 24 Mar 16 at 4:51pm
You will find any dinghy with twin poles needs a separate sheet and guy to work efficiently, so loads about in Ospreys, Scorpions, Merlins etc |
Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 25 Mar 16 at 11:41am
It's not a dinghy but we once sailed a hired soling on lake Garda and one of the upper shroud track stoppers was missing (unknown to me). Needless to say the shroud came out of the track :-( . Fortunately we were reefed. It was blowing old boots. The chunk of metal on the end of the shroud then swung around trying to brain both of us until I managed to get it back in the track. Came away from that episode convinced: The more complicated it is, the more likely it is to go wrong. Checking every bit of string, block, cleat before you go out is fine and good prctice but not in the dozens. I'll leave that for the more ocd types. 
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Posted By: LaLi
Date Posted: 25 Mar 16 at 1:51pm
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In the Soling, I believe the shroud tracks are used to change the rake between upwind and downwind. The same as in the Tasar, unless I'm totally mistaken. In the 505, you change the shroud base location to change the mast bend/rig tension relation. That is, it does the same as adjusting the spreaders, it's just that no one needs to climb up the mast.
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Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 26 Mar 16 at 12:26pm
| I heard that Rodney Pattison had string to open and close the self bailer. |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 26 Mar 16 at 12:35pm
Nothing unusual, seen this in a few Solos ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: Presuming Ed
Date Posted: 26 Mar 16 at 4:09pm
Solings have in-line shrouds, so shroud tracks are a mast bend control. Normally by tackle to between middle and helm, AIUI.
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Posted By: LaLi
Date Posted: 26 Mar 16 at 7:16pm
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http://www.solings.co.uk/soling-tuning-guide/" rel="nofollow - http://www.solings.co.uk/soling-tuning-guide/
Ok, so they do the same thing after all - it's a de facto spreader angle control. Is the trapeze twings then the only control (if you can call it that) that is truly unique to the 505?
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Mar 16 at 7:38pm
| Pretty much inevitable that any good ideas in one class will be disseminated to others reasonably quickly, so truly unique controls/gadgets are unlikely, unless there are special circumstances, probably rules related. |