Dinghy Identification ??
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Topic: Dinghy Identification ??
Posted By: Tctor68
Subject: Dinghy Identification ??
Date Posted: 01 Jul 15 at 4:13pm
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Hi new to the Forum, I'm looking for help with my circa 1960's fast planing dinghy. It is 14ft long 6ft broad 24ft mast 10ft boom Inside has a double floor, curved like a 505 Fully battened main sail Large genoa Sliding seat I have sailed it a couple of times in late 1970's, before buying a Unicorn catamaran. When it was put into dry storage. The sail ensign looks a bit like a Merlin Rocket , but not totally coloured in. http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/F7E2140D-B86E-42DA-97C9-942C06DF2042_zpszyr0z7up.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/691D4360-34BD-4CFF-9423-B3EC9A2BF04E_zpslfyf0yje.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/D8625A6B-101B-4428-8EC8-C5589ED06B7D_zpsqj4n1qw5.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/C3597A3D-2DA3-40B7-8B7F-AEDF8510A20E_zpslapsnh1l.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/B0E236B8-A4FD-45BA-BDA5-BA88A7EDCD10_zpshhjo16jp.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  The bottom got a hole in it, so it was stripped ready for new wood which still is lying ready for fitting. Any help in discovering what type of boat it is and how many left. Regards Tor Kydland |
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 01 Jul 15 at 5:28pm
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Dougledog will be wetting himself at this point. Not got any books handy, but is it a Daring? Designed by Bill O'Brien. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: jaydub
Date Posted: 01 Jul 15 at 8:13pm
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Looks like it may be. The sail insignia matches the picture on the CVRDA web site. http://www.cvrda.org/wp-cvrda/dinghydata/daring/" rel="nofollow - http://www.cvrda.org/wp-cvrda/dinghydata/daring/
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Posted By: Tctor68
Date Posted: 01 Jul 15 at 8:39pm
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Thanks for that Rupert & Jaydub Funny that but the previous owner said Daring, but the Daring was a Keelboat so me thinks he was mistaken. It has a trapeze as well, the sliding seat was for the Helm as he went single handed often. The wood work is all in good condition. If any one is interested in a project, let me know. Cheers Tor |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 01 Jul 15 at 9:55pm
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Looks like the photos on the cvrda page have made the same error. There were 2 boats called Daring, but very, very different. I'm not sure whether any apart from this one still exist - certainly I thought they might have been gone for ever.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 01 Jul 15 at 10:17pm
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Okay, for starters, it is a Daring - though altered to take the 'plank'. A wonderfully quick boat in it's day, the Daring and it's bigger brother, the Challenge, were popular along the South Coast.
What is more important is that as Rupert said, the accepted view was that they'd all long gone (though a few Challenges - known rather cruelly as the 'poor man's 505' - remain). But the ply back then was not so good and many took up water and went soft. So this is a real 'find' - the last of a class of boat that for a while attracted a great deal of attention and brought a number of great helms to prominence (one example being Keith Paul - the first Brit to win the 505 Worlds). If you can give me a few days - I'm not at home at present and don't have access to my records - I can come up with a lot more detail. D ------------- Dougal H |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 01 Jul 15 at 10:19pm
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If it is a Daring, which seems very likely, these plans and article from the designer will be of interest; http://www.ayrs.org/repository/AYRS008.pdf Oh- and thanks for preserving this bit of history! (EDIT - posted before DD conformed the identification by Rupert and Jaydub, but the info may still be useful)
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 01 Jul 15 at 10:47pm
| There are quite a number of cases where the same name has been used for very different classes... |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 02 Jul 15 at 7:36am
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Yup, I sail a Lightning, for instance. American friends have completely the wrong idea! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 02 Jul 15 at 9:13am
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The speedo solution on page 22 is actually very simple and very clever... how fast are we going ... very fast, the water level is too high to see :) ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: Woodburner
Date Posted: 02 Jul 15 at 10:51am
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Are they downlighters, hey that's a cool idea, had them on a Harley once.. leave no shadow. Edit by the way, Thanks for posting %3cspan%20style=" rel="nofollow - " rel="nofollow - http://www.ayrs.org/repository/AYRS008.pdf - that what an interesting read, not only was I at that 1956 dinghy race as a young boy with my dad who was taking photographs, but I went on to work for that F.J.Parsons company that printed it. Interesting to note they were buggering about with hydrafoils then and that reverse bent mast idea I did consider trying on my folly. Excellent.
------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/moses" rel="nofollow - Foil fun |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 02 Jul 15 at 12:47pm
so page 20 closes the age old "does a spinnaker lift debate...."  ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: Tctor68
Date Posted: 02 Jul 15 at 6:45pm
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Here is another one to identify that my brother sailed. The top light blue section was double skinned with velcro to put in buoyancy aid if you wanted. http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/B78B5094-1EFE-45E4-9C0B-C9A4B3F24227_zpsehrms3vm.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1DD3912B-E230-4F50-A72C-C464EEAFA826_zps8al4kj31.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/EBCEF2CA-B7A9-4CC2-A1EF-E200791BEEDA_zpsxchvoquq.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Cheers Tor
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Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 02 Jul 15 at 8:20pm
Sorry but the cvrda photos do know the difference - one's named daring, the other daring-keel - but the pattern matching software fetches both for "daring". Back to the drawing board on that one. 
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 02 Jul 15 at 10:20pm
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Which is why I said that the photos didn't know. Was fairly sure you did! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 03 Jul 15 at 5:08am
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/\ Sea Scooter????
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Posted By: piglet
Date Posted: 03 Jul 15 at 8:43pm
| And LP claimed the Vortex to be revolutionary? |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 04 Jul 15 at 10:33am
Everything comes round again if you wait long enough... |
Posted By: boatshed
Date Posted: 04 Jul 15 at 4:44pm
------------- Steve |
Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 04 Jul 15 at 6:41pm
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There is little in the way of co-incidence that the two Bill O'Brian boats mapped on to two of the existing classes in the area. The big brother to the Daring, the Challenge, was little more than a hard chine home build 505. With the prevailing wind in Southampton Water being South Westerly, the courses tend to be fairly shallow - short beats and runs, long reaches; with the flat aft sections the Challenge and Daring were far from slow coaches. But the arrival of the Fireball, and 470 - with the Hornet loosing it's plank in favour of a trapeze limited the opportunities and the two boats struggled. But in the end it would be 'club politics' that would do for the boats. Weston Sailing Club was moving to a new site with an all new clubhouse and the decision was taken to only allow certain classes. It was no great surprise when the 505 and Hornet got the nod, if you didn't want to sail one of the adopted classes you were left heading further into Woolston were you could form your own sailing club and race whatever you liked. And the rest - as they say, is history!
D ------------- Dougal H |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 04 Jul 15 at 9:27pm
| PY equiv to 1021 back in the day BTW, so maybe a fraction quicker than the later Mirror 14 or a Merlin of the era. |
Posted By: clibbs@waitrose.com
Date Posted: 06 Jul 15 at 4:31pm
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I spent at least ten years looking for a Daring, having been enthused as a youngster by them when I saw the one that sailed regularly at West Kirby. I got quite pally with Bill O'B towards the end of his days, and we met several times to talk about development of the boat. My search went from Eastbourne to the highlands of Scotland, via of course the Weston connection. I'm delighted one has turned up.
Nick |
Posted By: Tctor68
Date Posted: 06 Jul 15 at 8:49pm
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Hi Nick, If you are interested I could take more photo's as it in my garage. I have known about this one since late 60's and owned in 70's . It has been dry stored since late 70's. The boat has a sail number of 79 so maybe one of last to be built. Cheers Tor
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Posted By: Tctor68
Date Posted: 12 Jul 15 at 12:33am
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Many thanks Dougaldog, for all the info on the Daring. Will think about getting it restored to health again as it sounds like it will keep the Daring from becoming ( EXTINCT ) . Does anyone have any other photo's etc on Daring's Will post some pics when I get time. Tor
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Posted By: Tctor68
Date Posted: 13 Jul 15 at 9:05pm
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Took some more pics today, I started to strip the varnish off 35 yrs+ ago !!! http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/B73EE081-2645-46EF-B233-4FA3FCF2D9FE_zpsfk6dz4in.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/157F1082-DECC-4B00-A0BE-5EE311239212_zpswwqtcjsp.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1EE10531-D1A9-454B-A384-2AFA3317B1DF_zpsrfgic6gc.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/tctor68/media/Mobile%20Uploads/A36E3808-2126-4A25-A4B5-AE4A3046D7F9_zpspy1lyayc.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  The wood on the top sides are really in good condition, so a bit more stripping and sanding should do it. Since the boat has been dry stored for so long, will the wood inside be needing some kind of treatment . Before the bottom is glued and screwed on ? The inside is in a good state too, but bare wood. So any help would be much appreciated how to get this Daring back on the water. I think it has some really sweet curves on it. Thanks Tor
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Jul 15 at 10:15pm
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Conventionally I would have thought the insides should be varnished or painted. I tend to slap on several costs of heavily thinned down cheap varnish with a large brush: after all UV resistance is hardly a problem! Wood self draining boats are sods for rot because its so hard to keep the humidity down, so it does need doing.
Maybe some worm/rot killer first? What does the panel think? |
Posted By: boatshed
Date Posted: 14 Jul 15 at 9:10am
Sounds a good start. I too would be in favour of thinned down varnish that soaks in to the wood. How about thinned epoxy instead? Is that available? I'm surprised to see the boat is self draining but it looks like it was built that way; or heavily modified. Was the original design self draining? As Jim says, water will get trapped especially around the frame joints to the bottom hull wood. I see there are a number of hatches which will help with air circulation, so, maybe with these kept open and a very good cover, you would be in with a chance. I doubt worm killer will be needed. If the wood is dry it is very unlikely to have living worms. Have you got the mast, boom, centre board and rudder? Personally, I would ditch the sliding seat and put a trapeze on for the crew. Good luck. ------------- Steve |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 14 Jul 15 at 9:26am
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I think West do a thin epoxy that you paint on the dry wood which will help with moisture resistance. From what I remember its ok under varnish too so just coat the whole boat in that (inside tanks before you stick the bottom on would be a great help). |
Posted By: clibbs@waitrose.com
Date Posted: 14 Jul 15 at 11:03am
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Tor, I mislaid your pm with your phone number. Would you like to sent it to me again. Delighted to hear you are thinking of restoration.
Regards Nick |
Posted By: Tctor68
Date Posted: 14 Jul 15 at 9:34pm
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Nick you have Pm |
Posted By: Tctor68
Date Posted: 30 Jan 16 at 4:55pm
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Daring dinghy up for sale, could be last of its kind ,FREE as I need space and do not have time because of other projects. All wood and decks are in exceptional condition, have new marine ply for bottom as it was holed in storage at farm. Parts missing are - tiller, full length sail battens and some of the sheeting, not to bad for 35yrs of dry storage Will need to bring own trailer. Any info or photos torkydland@hotmail.co.uk 01592 769121
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