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Topic: Clubs in North Wales/West Cheshire
Posted By: davejones
Subject: Clubs in North Wales/West Cheshire
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 8:38pm
Hi 

I'm getting back into sailing after a LONG gap year(s)!

i'm trying to find a club to do a bit of club racing, but I'm finding it quite limited and wondered if you guys could point me towards one......

I've visited and rejected the following

Chester - Nice Club but River sailing and a VERY busy stretch of water

Shotwick - Seemed ok, but smack bang in the middle of an Industrial estate, and looks like fort knox! (guess its needed :-( )

Colemere - Very big fleet of single handers... Not really ideal for my small family but really nice even if we got lost finding it

Shrophire - Seemed REALLY REALLY nice, but only had 4 boats out racing?? seem to have more on 'special' days but not a good sign.... but REALLY friendly

Gresford - WOW it was TINY! but there was one guy on the water who was VERY aggressive, didn't seem to have any 'club' spirit

So before I start driving around out of the area

does anyone have any other ideas?

I was thinking of driving to Winsford and Nantwich as they seem busy on their websites.....

or does anyone know of any hidden gems

thanks
Dave



Replies:
Posted By: drifter
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 8:53pm
West Kirby?



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Posted By: davejones
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 9:00pm
on the marine lake?? i'd not thought of there! Sailed a GP14 there years ago.... I'll have a drive up


Posted By: sandgrounder
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 9:00pm
Budworth SC


Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 9:03pm
Whats wrong with PDSC? You moved east?!



Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 9:04pm
Could try Leigh & Lowton?
http://www.llsc.org.uk/" rel="nofollow - http://www.llsc.org.uk/


Dan I don't think its that Mr Jones


Posted By: Ian99
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 9:07pm
Budworth is a pretty active club and I think just about in the area you describe.

With a slightly longer drive, another option would be Bala, which is a much bigger stretch of water than any other inland clubs in the area.


Posted By: davejones
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 9:10pm
Dan.... sorry wrong person

I live near to Oswestry, all bar Bala are a bit of a drive.... needs to be inland with the wife and kids.... wife doesn't really like sailing.....

really liked the look of Gresford, but...... there's sailing and then being a bit OTT, it must be common tho as most of the others sailing where talking about the one guy.... guess the old 'gentleman' rules have left that club...

Has anyone been to Bala recently? do they get a good fleet out?


Posted By: sandgrounder
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 9:17pm
I went to the Easter Regatta at Bala, a great sailing water. There were about 35 boats competing in asymmetric and handicap fleets. The D-Zero had the largest entry. 


Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 9:19pm
If i lived in Oswestry i'd go to Bala


Posted By: jaydub
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 10:19pm
Some people in Oswestry do make it up to Budworth.  One of the last bastions of class racing.


Posted By: porkyman
Date Posted: 16 Apr 15 at 10:20pm
Shotwick is accessed via an industrial estate, NOT in the middle of it. When you are at the lake the views are actually quite lovely, and we get good uninterupted winds off the Dee estuary. We do have chain link fence around the club,and cctv, but no more than most clubs have in the way of security. Our race turnouts are generally better than ANY of the clubs you mention, regular 20+ boats. We are a small and friendly club, and membership rates are low (we own the lake).
Its a no brainer !!

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Posted By: jaydub
Date Posted: 17 Apr 15 at 8:15am
I think your comment about 'better than ANY of the clubs mentioned' may be considered a little partisan. Wink


Posted By: fish n ships
Date Posted: 17 Apr 15 at 9:13am
I'd suggest that it depends on the sort of boat you want to sail?  Have to say if i lived that close to Bala i'd be joining there in a heartbeat though.


Posted By: mothlee
Date Posted: 17 Apr 15 at 10:22am
It all depends on what size/type of club you're looking for.
If you want a small club, I would try shropshire. Did a open there a couple of years ago, very friendly and over twenty club boats were out that day.
If you want a bigger club try bala.


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 17 Apr 15 at 10:24am
Bala or Shotwick would be my options. Then again I know people at both clubs and they cannot speak highly enough of them.

Bala may be better for the family though as there are walks and other things that could amuse them while you sail.


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Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 17 Apr 15 at 10:35am
What Class of Boat do you Sail/ want to sail??

Just to pick the ones you seem to have discounted,

Chester is a fantastic club, it has a great togetherness feel (almost like extended family) about it and is very well ran. They get allot of gear through grants, have a great training fleet which ordinary members can use etc etc. They also have a very active junior section which seems to travel about quite a bit on the Junior Travelers. The only (great) shame is the water they are on. It is very restricted, and very busy with through traffic (the Dee is on of the big Rowing rivers in the North of England with 5 Clubs (Grosvenor, Royal Chester, Kings School Chester, Queens Park High School & University Of Chester. The latter have just got permission to build a new club house with pontoon right in the middle of the sailing clubs already tight stretch of water). You also have pleasure boats which tend to chug up and down.
I was a member there for 3 years, infact was where I started dinghy sailing. Great people, we still get together now and sail together in various locations.

Shotwick is where I am currently, I will try and be as impartial as possible. I understand that it does have it's flaws however it is a club in transition and there are a few people that are really working hard to get things working. Shotwick biggest asset is the fact it now owns the lake outright, which means no large fees to land owners, this is reflected in membership fees, as is the amount of space that the club has around the lake for boat storage. It is one of the cheapest sailing clubs around to join. It doesn't have the most aesthetic access admittedly. The lake was originally the cooling lake the what was Shotwick Steel Works so there is a bit of industry around the area (access is down in front of a paper mill) but the lake it self is surrounded by farmers fields (that seem to be growing leaks most of the time). There is a footpath around the entirety of the lake and about a dozen slipways for boats. So you can get out pretty much anywhere. The wind is pretty consistent and stable as it funnels down the estuary off the Irish Sea but we do have a bit of shelter from the worst of it. Facilities are probably described as a step up from basic, however the focus has been on securing the purchase of the lake the last few years which now complete, will shift onto the clubhouse. If you are going to be bringing your family, potentially have a few boats Shotwick would certainly be the cheaper option.

Gresford, never actually been but know a few people that have. It is small and have heard there are a few 'Characters' there

Budworth visited once, and considered it at one point, though is a journey for me from the Wirral. Seemed what I would consider as a properly structured sailing club. The thing that decided it for me though was, I initially thought it would be a bit expensive (inc the traveling) and I didn't sail any of the classes they allowed.

Nantwich & Borders, sold my Laser to a feller there (120622 anyone seen it recently) and dropped it off for him as he didn't have a tow bar. You seem to have to drive through a field to get to it and was attacked by sheep on the way in (they must have sensed my Welshness ;-) ) Apparently there is a submerged bandstand that you have to watch out for.

Bala, I find Bala an interesting club, have sailed there a few times, never as a member though. Everyone I know that sails at Bala actually sails most there time at other clubs. It is a well set up club, but doesn't have the numbers you would think. It tends to be a holiday club for people from elsewhere rather than having its own core membership. The water is OK, you really need a Northerly or a Southerly to get any real wind as it is in a deep valley. The lake is pretty deep aswell, which means it is freeeeeeeeezing most of the time. We capsized at the Easter regatta last year a jeeez I think my organs tried to rearrange themselves despite wearing 6mm+. We considered Bala at one point, but it never had that feeling of being an actual club, the same feeling I got from visiting Grafham a year or two ago.

West Kirby is one we have strongly considered, you get best of both worlds on the tide and the lake and great wind. However as well as membership you have to buy a license for the lake per boat from the local council. For us it just tipped it into the slightly pricey range for us. But as with Budworth it is a proper structured sailing club

Shropshire/Telford haven't been so cant really comment.

One you may be interested in looking at could possibly be Llyn Brenig
http://www.llynbrenigsc.org.uk/
I have never been but it was one that have looked at seriously, just a little to far for us.

I would (of course) say don't discount Shotwick on first appearances, as a little gem it will start to shine soon.

But you have to find what is right for you and your family, good luck with where ever you choose and happy sailing





Posted By: themeaningoflife
Date Posted: 17 Apr 15 at 10:58am
Can't recommend West Kirby highly enough, it has a strong family atmosphere and a lot of youth and junior sailing, plus sailing at all states of the tide. There's also an annual pilgrimage to the Straits Regatta that has a very holiday feel around the sailing. Plus the marine lake means that there are no restrictions on sailing, yet can sail over to Hilbre Island etc. on the tide.

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Posted By: wavey
Date Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 8:14am
Hi Dave I am from Gresford sailing club and we always have been a small friendly club and this year have opened it up to all classes of boat, anyway my real point for reply is we are dealing with the aggressive nature /unsporting attitude of the odd one it is certainly not the normal attitude and we welcome family sailing, are you able to tell me what boat this aggressive sailor was sailing?. Thanks and please take another look at great
Thanks
Wavey


Posted By: wavey
Date Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 8:10pm
Hi again Dave re Gresford sailing club we are having a push the boat out week as part of the RYA week you can come and join us with your boat and hopefully you will see what a nice club it is of you want any details you can contact me or our sailing secretary at. gresford.sc@which.net
12,,17th may 2015
It may be a small lake but very good for learning tactics.
Wavey


Posted By: kevg
Date Posted: 28 Apr 15 at 6:33pm
Llyn Brenig sailing club has an open day on 4th May.

See flyer on the Facebook page:-

https://www.facebook.com/Brenigsailing?ref=ts&fref=ts


Posted By: davejones
Date Posted: 28 Apr 15 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by wavey

Hi Dave I am from Gresford sailing club and we always have been a small friendly club and this year have opened it up to all classes of boat, anyway my real point for reply is we are dealing with the aggressive nature /unsporting attitude of the odd one it is certainly not the normal attitude and we welcome family sailing, are you able to tell me what boat this aggressive sailor was sailing?. Thanks and please take another look at great
Thanks
Wavey

HI Wavey or Dave. who knows! LOL

thanks for the kind offer but we have now ruled Gresford out. It looked a really nice water to sail on but that visit nearly put my wife off as she has only done a small bit of sailing. All that shouting and being 'unforgiving' on such a small piece of water...... tbh I did point out to her that the rest of you guys and gals looks like you where having fun.
The boat in question was an Enterprise. 

We had another visit to Shropshire, lovely water, and are currently saving/fund raising for a new club house and I'd imagine when its done it will be the club to sail at, so once the children have finished their current weekend swimming lessons we'll be joining there

I will agree with JohnJack, out of all the clubs we visited, I think Shotwick and Chester where the ones with the most amount out actually sailing. 

Thanks to everyone that has posted a reply, I thought that you guys in the area would be able to point us in the right direction

Dave



Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 29 Apr 15 at 8:03am
Bala has changed beyond recognition over the last few years, when i went there in about 2006 i thought they were quite unfriendly and diet appear to want the 50 odd boats we bought there.

Having been back a couple of times in the last year or two, they have really turned it around. It can be pretty ferocious in a strong SW but its a great place to sail.


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Posted By: welshwizard
Date Posted: 29 Apr 15 at 1:27pm
Hi davejones

I was a member of Gresford up until last year, when I left.

I have been a member since 1989, and my parents since they early 80's. 

Unfortunately, a few people have forgotten that a few hours racing around the cans on a tiny lake should be fun, and get far too carried away. 

I can only imagine what you saw on your visit, but I would urge you to take Wavey up on his offer to pop down and have a sail. It is a great lake for your children to sail on and you ;-)

 but I know how you feel as on my last visit I saw more shouting from one boat than at the team racing champs at West Kirby!!!!!!




Posted By: johnnyt
Date Posted: 29 Apr 15 at 2:27pm
Dave i too live in Oswestry and i drive to bala. All be it is the catamaran club which is slightly further than the sailing club but it is worth a drive. I know I sail catamaran which means i should not be in this part of the forum but of all the places i have sailed if the weather is right i would not want to sail anywhere else. The key is getting the weather right. If you are in oswestry and want a chat then let me know.  

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Posted By: welshwizard
Date Posted: 03 May 15 at 5:09pm
Davejones

I re-joined gresford today as a friend needed a crew and I was short on of something to do!

I have had a lovely sail racing against wavey and others and the people sailing where having a good sail with tricky conditions

Gresford really is a great club and I urge you to pop down and have a sail

Thanks
Gareth



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