My Scorpion
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Topic: My Scorpion
Posted By: Wet-As-'Ell
Subject: My Scorpion
Date Posted: 11 Mar 15 at 2:07pm
Hi all....
I have been given (yes, given) a 1964 Scorpion that needs "a little" renovation and love.
Because I am worse than useless (and sometimes dangerous) at DIY, I have approached a marina in Cumbria to look at the woodwork for me and I will then do the varnishing/finishing.
However, I have no idea how to do this either and wondered if anyone had some tips (Other than burn it or pay for someone to do the whole lot).
Cheers
Mark
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 Mar 15 at 2:12pm
I should go here... http://www.cvrda.org/community/" rel="nofollow - http://www.cvrda.org/community/
Be aware that doing up old boats should only be undertaken as a labour of love for the pleasure of the activity: financially its a dead cert loser. You spend the entire value of the boat just on paint and glue, and when you've finished its worth no more than when you started...
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Posted By: Wet-As-'Ell
Date Posted: 11 Mar 15 at 2:21pm
Thanks Jim but it just takes me back to the home page.
Cheers
Mark
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 11 Mar 15 at 2:57pm
Just type in cvrda.org and it will take you to the Classic and Vintage Racing Dinghy Association, where lots of people have been through what you are doing. As Jim says, only do it if that is part of the joy of ownership. Otherwise, you might begin to think free was over priced!
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Posted By: Woodbotherer
Date Posted: 11 Mar 15 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by Wet-As-'Ell
Hi all....
(Other than burn it or pay for someone to do the whole lot).
Cheers
Mark  |
Allow me to introduce myself and offer good burning advice, I can recommended decent brands of match, suggest flammatory products to assist, to make the whole diy boat burning experience rich and fulfilling.
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Posted By: Tom J
Date Posted: 11 Mar 15 at 4:23pm
Someone else doing something similar and may be able to provide some tips: http://www.sailscorpion.co.uk/?p=1143" rel="nofollow - http://www.sailscorpion.co.uk/?p=1143 http://www.sailscorpion.co.uk/?p=1266" rel="nofollow - http://www.sailscorpion.co.uk/?p=1266
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Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 13 Mar 15 at 12:22am
Why not just nail it back together, get it sailing and have fun? I did this with an old Merlin a few years ago. The boat was considered beyond saving but I saved it....sort of. We had a bit of fun, and boy won a race with his sister in it. By pure chance I sold it to the son of the original owner but as Jim says there was no profit in it.
In my twenties I 'restored' a number of what now would be called classic cars, then just old cars. Good fun just to get them going again. I had two Bentleys at the same time and a 1957 Porsche Convertible D. which in good condition are worth £150,000 now....mine was worth about £150 plus the cost of 1,000,000 pop rivets and half a ton of filler.
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Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 13 Mar 15 at 9:27pm
If you are considering paying someone to do the woodwork, this boat must mean an awfull lot to you........... However you don't say if you have ever sailed a Scorpion before, so as iitick says above maybe the best thing to do is to patch it together for this year, sail it and see if you even like it. Scorpions are not everyones cup of tea. With the Epoxy revolution anyone can patch up an old boat enough to get it sailing. So unless you are actually going through the bottom and other bit are literally falling off patch it and have fun!
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Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 02 Apr 15 at 9:30am
Originally posted by Riv
Scorpions are not everyones cup of tea.
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Interesting comment, how so? (other than any other class)
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Posted By: Woodburner
Date Posted: 02 Apr 15 at 11:39am
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=840928852645865&set=vb.263754693696620&type=2&theater" rel="nofollow - We had a visit from a Scorpion owner recently. Left it on the beach whilst he went for a cupper .
Tide came in, Inshore rescue boat launched, boat trashed.
Scorpion Owners.
https://www.facebook.com/hsschythe/photos/pb.263754693696620.-2207520000.1427971334./840940119311405/?type=3&theater" rel="nofollow - Check the photo sequence Count the bodies that came to it's 'rescue'
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Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 02 Apr 15 at 12:05pm
No more like idiots who buy old boats on ebay. Noticed the video's on Hyths facebook page.
Most Scorpions are relatively well kept. There aren't many classes where a 25 year old boat can still keep pace with new boats, if not still capable of winning a Nationals?
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Posted By: fish n ships
Date Posted: 02 Apr 15 at 12:11pm
i dont think there is much danger of that one winning a nationals
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Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 02 Apr 15 at 12:32pm
It'll make a nice bonfire when you've dried it out.
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Posted By: Woodburner
Date Posted: 02 Apr 15 at 1:40pm
No idea what happened to it, the irony, Hythe is/was a big Scorpion stronghold back in the day and we still have a couple of die hard scorpion aficionado's.
I once wasted a weekend double concaving the hull of one in the days when double concave made faster boards so my business partner, fancied trying it on his Scorpion, no idea what happened, the class in our area fell victim to the Iso revolution that failed, and effectively killed dinghy sailing at our club until recently when the Dover lot joined us, but the renaissance was Scorpion free.
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Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 02 Apr 15 at 4:22pm
Originally posted by Woodburner
No idea what happened to it, the irony, Hythe is/was a big Scorpion stronghold back in the day and we still have a couple of die hard scorpion aficionado's.
I once wasted a weekend double concaving the hull of one in the days when double concave made faster boards so my business partner, fancied trying it on his Scorpion, no idea what happened, the class in our area fell victim to the Iso revolution that failed, and effectively killed dinghy sailing at our club until recently when the Dover lot joined us, but the renaissance was Scorpion free.
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Not sure what happened through out the nineties. The class seemed to have reached critical mass and was doing really well. There are quite a few clubs like Hythe which used to be Scorpion strong holds.
In my view, cheaper and more competative than the MR's and definitely more rewarding than a GP14.
The design is pretty good and whilst being lightweight they are very solidly put together (they were designed to take a battering in surf so.........)
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Posted By: Woodburner
Date Posted: 02 Apr 15 at 4:41pm
They got very pricey at one point, I remember back a long time ago talking to Barry Dodds who had just paid fourteen grand for these bits of wood stuck together, I was speechless at the time, didn't know what to say short of questioning his sanity. That was back when ten grand bought a lot of car and you could hire two or three folk to work for a year and they'd not be unhappy..
Silly Money.
But they are a super sea boat, ideal for our club, a tad on the narrow side for a modern day hiker and whenever I've seen them at shows, they are as complex as any Merlin, without the nearby bar to go and ask Stella for the answer to any question you might have about them.
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Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 02 Apr 15 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by Woodburner
They got very pricey at one point, I remember back a long time ago talking to Barry Dodds who had just paid fourteen grand for these bits of wood stuck together, I was speechless at the time, didn't know what to say short of questioning his sanity. That was back when ten grand bought a lot of car and you could hire two or three folk to work for a year and they'd not be unhappy..
Silly Money.
But they are a super sea boat, ideal for our club, a tad on the narrow side for a modern day hiker and whenever I've seen them at shows, they are as complex as any Merlin, without the nearby bar to go and ask Stella for the answer to any question you might have about them.
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£14k on a boat these days feels a bit daft. But then I have never outrigt owned a boat that was worth more than a few hundred, if that (ie not one i bought in a club abandoned auction, fixed up and sailed)
There were a few 'customs' I have heard rumours of where the builder tried to get a little clever with the tolerances.
I am under the impression that perceived value is whatever someone is willing to pay for it (or in the case of this thread, how much time/money someone is willing to spend on rebuilding it).
NB. As a crew, a narrower beam is slightly better as it means you dont spend most of your time huddled under the boom getting tangled up in the kicker and getting cut up by anything in the crew area in the boat. Except for in the super light, hardly worth going out stuff I tend to be sitting on the deck, and that with two fully grown adults in the boat
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Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 01 May 15 at 4:35pm
Originally posted by Woodburner
They got very pricey at one point, I remember back a long time ago talking to Barry Dodds who had just paid fourteen grand for these bits of wood stuck together, I was speechless at the time, didn't know what to say short of questioning his sanity. That was back when ten grand bought a lot of car and you could hire two or three folk to work for a year and they'd not be unhappy..
Silly Money.
But they are a super sea boat, ideal for our club, a tad on the narrow side for a modern day hiker and whenever I've seen them at shows, they are as complex as any Merlin, without the nearby bar to go and ask Stella for the answer to any question you might have about them.
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Barry Dodds Scorpion, Basavari (or similar) was expensive because he insisted that John Turner to built it, when he had finished building Scorpions.
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