Moths in waves
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Topic: Moths in waves
Posted By: frow3n
Subject: Moths in waves
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 9:29am
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Just out of interest, you don't see videos of moths in decent waves at sea. Obviously there is a reason for this but do they just capsize due to the magic wand being out of the water? Just unsure as to why I've never seen any moths in the big waves? (could just be me so correct me if I'm wrong!) Thanks, Fred ------------- Laser Radial 201357 29er 1907 Queen Mary SC |
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 9:43am
| A photo of a boat two feet out of the water rather loses its impact if there's a 3 foot wave between boat and camera... |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 11:37am
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I can see they would be fine in most waves, but what does happen when they do that thing that makes great photos of the whole boat taking air off a wave? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 11:57am
Images by Thierry Martinez  ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 12:20pm
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 1:28pm
| I assume a longer wand would cope with waves better, but there must be drawbacks to that idea too..? |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 1:41pm
| I suppose it must be a question of timing for when you want the boat to move relative to how the wave is doing, but I know the Mothies have been doing all sorts of trick stuff in recent years. Where's Mr Cook when you want him? |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 1:42pm
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I was being mean, they just set the ride height lower in waves so that the foil doesn't pop out the front of them.
------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 2:04pm
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I'd forgotten they could adjust ride height. Makes sense, thank you. Photos were perfect, though!
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 5:17pm
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Big waves, no real problem. Short chop, horrible.
------------- http://www.aardvarkracing.co.uk" rel="nofollow - Home of Rocket Racing |
Posted By: frow3n
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 5:29pm
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moth in big waves would be my dream, its the waves that I was questioning whether they work in ------------- Laser Radial 201357 29er 1907 Queen Mary SC |
Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 17 Dec 14 at 6:40pm
Curiously the big wave surf foilers appear to work well because they don't get knocked about by the chop on big waves. I presume there is a specific range (height and wavelength) of chop that is horrible for Moths. Also is the same chop upwind and downwind very different? |
Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 18 Dec 14 at 9:40am
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Yeah, to run the same wand setup upwind/down you have to compromise on both - To have control for down you have to put up with quite a bouncy ride up. That's why a lot of people are starting to run adjustable gearing, but very few people have enough of their wits about them to know what to do with it all. Lots of things interlink with other things and the adjustment of one tends to need adjustment of others to keep it all in the sweet spot. Personally think sailing in short chop is a good way to ruin a nice sail! Bizarrely we don't seem to sail at actual wavy venues very much - the last one of note was the Nationals in 09 at Saundersfoot.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 Dec 14 at 9:56am
I have a theory that the faster the boat the less fun waves are. At least for me. If I think about sailing a Laser in waves, then upwind there's time to pick a route up around, between whatever, and downwind the boat is slow enough to really get up on a wave and surf for long periods, grab the steepest bit, mess round in surf, all that stuff. And with longer waves, ocean waves or whatever I have time to handle them, think about them and if its just short chop by Laser standards then they aren't that big anyway. If I think about a high performance boat on the other hand then upwind those waves are coming at me easily twice as fast. There isn't as much time to do much in the way of route planning because as soon as I've slammed into one the next is on the way, and the impacts are so much more violent, knocking the boat about and tiring me out, and what constitutes short chop at the speeds I am going can actually be much bigger waves. Downwind I'm overtaking waves fast, so no time for sustained surfing, instead its much more HTF do I avoid going down the mine ploughing into the back of the wave in front. So in a fast boat I'd much rather have either flattish water or really long open ocean waves, stuff in between isn't much fun for me. In a slow boat waves are more fun, but as everything else about sailing such boats doesn't appeal I don't sail them anyway. There's also the thing that many wavy venues also have challenging launching and recovery. I can't imagine wanting to launch a Moth off an exposed shingle beach for instance. If that sort of thinking is also true for many of the Mothies, maybe that explains why not so many wavey venues? |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 18 Dec 14 at 11:13am
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I reckon you're right Jim. The b14 is an arse in short shop- especially for the heavyweight end of the fleet- though we seem to persist with the Solent and places like Whitstable. Unfortunately though places that tend to have long waves also tend to have horrible launching and/or long sails in/out. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: 17mika
Date Posted: 20 Dec 14 at 2:13pm
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Talking about chop, the 2014 aussie national had some proper waves in day2and3! Cannot post link from my phone, but just search youtube.
In those conditions it definitely gets challenging to get in one piece tho the leeward mark,at least for me :D |