Sideways
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Category: Dinghy classes
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Topic: Sideways
Posted By: katg
Subject: Sideways
Date Posted: 10 Nov 05 at 11:15pm
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Just wondering if any one could help me coz I've got this problem of when i start plaining and have to hike out the boat starts sliding sideways as well as going forwards however flat i keep it so i always endup stearing slightly to keep going straigh which then slows me dowm and stops me plaining so i always lose and it kinda bothering asi never happened in a pico just since ive been sailing a tapaz so i was starting to wornder if it was the boat or me changing my techniques between the two boats which could be possible coz it change my hiking possition aswell. thanks if any one can if it would be great ------------- Topaz Race Plus 860 |
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Posted By: Phat Bouy
Date Posted: 11 Nov 05 at 11:38am
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A few questions: What position is your dagger board in when the slipping occurs? Where abouts are you sitting? What point-of sail are you on (beat, run or reach) ? |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 11 Nov 05 at 7:41pm
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This actually sounds to me like your boat isn't set up to be in balance and you actually have lee helm!
Assuming, of course, your centreboard is down and not a sloppy fit... Try sailing with it right down and make sure your rudder is correctly down as well. ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: radial179102
Date Posted: 12 Nov 05 at 8:53pm
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topaz?? planing?? HA ------------- 
Villan is my Bitch ;) |
Posted By: katg
Date Posted: 01 Dec 05 at 9:00am
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ha thats a bit harsh to all the topaz sailors in the world but i can see what u mean ------------- Topaz Race Plus 860 |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 01 Dec 05 at 5:50pm
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So have you sorted the problem? ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: Barty
Date Posted: 02 Dec 05 at 12:15pm
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Is it a Topaz with the race sail? ------------- http://www.highlandtopper.com - For Topper boats & spares in Scotland-highlandtopper.com |
Posted By: katg
Date Posted: 02 Dec 05 at 5:24pm
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yep it has the race sail and the jib and i havn't realy sorted the prob yet even though i havent sailed that much either as its bitter in cornwall at the mo & i cant afford a winter wetsuit (as a student) so i have to stick with my summer one ------------- Topaz Race Plus 860 |
Posted By: Barty
Date Posted: 03 Dec 05 at 4:51pm
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The race sail is too big for the boat! A little secret Topper have tried to keep to themselves. I would guess that with the race main and jib your lead (distance between CE centre of effort, sails, and the CLR centre of lateral resistance, foils) has gone negitive, i.e. the CE has moved in front of the CLR. Normally the CE would be behind the CLR and you get a bit of weather helm. Why not try not using the jib to see if that sorts the problem. ------------- http://www.highlandtopper.com - For Topper boats & spares in Scotland-highlandtopper.com |
Posted By: katg
Date Posted: 05 Jan 06 at 2:10pm
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Yea i'll try that, it sounds logical as well i mean how ca they put so many different sized sails on the same boat and think they work just as good as boat specially designed for that type of sailing. I could never imagin trapeasing off the size of a boat that can also have one sail and used to teach 10 year olds for the first time. ------------- Topaz Race Plus 860 |
Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 05 Jan 06 at 2:14pm
Radial? Planing?? HA  ------------- Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices! Int 14 Gbr 1244 'Nucking Futs' The New Port rule!!. |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 05 Jan 06 at 2:39pm
  ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 06 Jan 06 at 6:36pm
 
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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 07 Jan 06 at 2:18am
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picos and topazs do plain, has to be windy though. Good fun! ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: katg
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 3:42pm
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yea thanks guys for the help went sailing on saturday froze myself coz i was wearing a summer suit + thermal T (Student not much cash u c) but it was still great Summer has officially begain in my book now !!!!any way thanks for the tips coz they helped and i didn't go sideways as much Thanks again Katg! ------------- Topaz Race Plus 860 |
Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 7:51pm
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I once managed to not only get a Pico planing, but also get it airbourne off the back of a 'wave' - but it was blowing about 30 knots at the time. At 6' and 15 stone its the only time it is possible to have any fun in one ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 11:04am
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i am only 50kg and i have got a pico planing
------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
Posted By: laser47
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 1:01pm
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yeah i've had a pico plaining before too ------------- |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 1:09pm
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Radials do plane very well even with my 13st and 6ft in them (had a 4.7 planing too) Just about anything will plane given enough wind (dinghy wise that is). ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: far canal
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 4:00pm
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Holy mailto:f@K - f@K some of the claims as to winds you guys sail in are awe inspiring ," I was jumping off waves in 30 knts in a pico " etc , I must be in the company of super heros !!!!
You guys should have jetted out to America and sorted the girlies in their keelboats in miami (?) or wherever , gr* big report in current Y n Y , they had carnage in 25 Knots and you guys is just getting out your beds ! Spect the instruments on the TP 52s etc are a tad better calibrated than those you guys got ! |
Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 7:35pm
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nicely said, but i think most people sailing picos in that kind of wind are well over the normal weight for a pico and usually sail faster boats. the keel boats on the other hand, crew weight makes less of a difference and they are "light weather" boats as well.
------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 8:33pm
As i said "At 6' and 15 stone". Hugely over weight (for both the boat and my body) with long levers, 30 knot winds are possible. Am I a super hero.....er no! Stupid without an ounce of common sense......Its one way to stay young! And yes I do usually sail something a bit more powerful. The Avatar may give you a clue ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: far canal
Date Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 10:51am
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"The Avatar may give you a clue " really never spotted you sail a contender , do you think I'm blind ? and your name gives a hint too !!!!!!!!!!!!!
! am 6 foot 2 and 18 stone sailed my contender in 45 knots , funny though keelboats were sailing with no 2's .gave up contenders years ago ,too underpowered , got fed up by being passed by toppers in light wind , not just me ! whole class was including someone who went on t o be a notable champ . though to be fair upwind in a blow was sweet .
I have never read so much p*sh in my life , I can't believe that further up the thread folk are debating wether a radial can plane or not , its a flippin laser with slightly smaller sail sailed by a gnat , cause it will plane !!!!!!!!
and as for if a bosun starts to plane its time to go in , if a bosuns planing too late you are allready dead ! |
Posted By: No. 5
Date Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 1:35pm
| Steady there mate. |
Posted By: far canal
Date Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 4:42pm
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steady as a rock chummly
wound neck back in , popped a couple of qualms and all is chillin now
no offence intended . |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 23 Feb 06 at 5:43pm
30 knots in a pico! try a VERY gusty VERY shifty 35 knots in a 29er! that was a fun day, extremely wet but extremely fun! and having sailed a radial for 2 years, corse u can get em planing - easy as pie! (with a a force3/4+)
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 25 Feb 06 at 6:13pm
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Topper in F8. pico's in force 8.amazing....don't need weight....just need to havr reasonable handling! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: laser47
Date Posted: 25 Feb 06 at 10:04pm
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two words, laser inlands. was anyone else there to see the huge gust that wiped out most of the 4.7 fleet in one go. personally i was just sitting on my inverted hull watching the chaos unfold ------------- |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 26 Feb 06 at 3:50pm
try a 2000 in a f8 now that is a beast. we had the boat planning up wind and not even tuching the water downwind. we had 3 of us in the boat (30ish stone combined) so was abit crapped but great fun,  ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 26 Feb 06 at 5:37pm
Don't you mean cramped? Or given the wind speed maybe you were talking about the smell ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 26 Feb 06 at 6:37pm
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yer u know what i mean.lol well it was getting extreme but no spillages ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 26 Feb 06 at 6:46pm
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U lot are a bunch of wooses!! Talk about a pico in 45kts. I
went out singlehanded on an 18ft skiff when i woz seven in a steady
60kts. (honest.....i did!!) ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: laser47
Date Posted: 26 Feb 06 at 7:14pm
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riiiiiiiiiiiite!! i believe you *not*
wait that was sarcasm wasn't it? ------------- |