Rules posters
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Forum Name: Racing Rules
Forum Discription: Discuss the rules and your interpretations here
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Printed Date: 26 Jun 25 at 11:08am
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Topic: Rules posters
Posted By: maxinsis
Subject: Rules posters
Date Posted: 24 Nov 14 at 4:59pm
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Hello, In trying to maintain a good level during Sunday racing at our local club, we would like to place some posters around the club house explaining the basic racing rules. At my past surfing club there were very simple drawings explaining priority rules - I am looking for the same thing for dinghy sailing. Does anybody here have a recommendation? A pdf or a link would be welcome. Do you have such a thing at your club? Regards,
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Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 24 Nov 14 at 5:01pm
| Type sailing rules poster in google |
Posted By: maxinsis
Date Posted: 24 Nov 14 at 5:04pm
I obviously did that before posting here, but did not find a simple clear diagram.
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Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 24 Nov 14 at 5:18pm
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From the Google search
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/168204 |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 24 Nov 14 at 6:05pm
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Never seen that before, it's good - though perhaps not quite the "simple" diagram the OP is looking for. ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Nov 14 at 7:14pm
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How about this?
Very crude I'm afraid, based on something I knocked up for club training many years ago. http://www.devboats.co.uk/simplerules/" rel="nofollow - http://www.devboats.co.uk/simplerules/ |
Posted By: Brass
Date Posted: 25 Nov 14 at 3:47am
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There are three graphics in this post http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11614&KW=simple+rules&PID=1369635&title=simple-racing-rules#1369635" rel="nofollow - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11614&KW=simple+rules&PID=1369635&title=simple-racing-rules#1369635 Think carefully about what you want to achieve with the poster:
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 25 Nov 14 at 8:32am
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The clear astern/ahead one there is a bit confusing, Brass, as the boat behind is blue (=ROW?). Don't you need to be around to discuss that, rather than leave it on a noticeboard? Think I prefer Jim's example for that rule.
With Jim's, I'd prefer to see the actual rule numbers in place of the present 1,2,3... Constructive remarks, I hope. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: maxinsis
Date Posted: 25 Nov 14 at 12:35pm
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Thank you for the links. Indeed the first proposition is a little overcomplicated for what we are trying to achieve. We need simple diagrams to remind our fellow competitors about the basic rules of racing as there seems to be a little confusion from time to time. I like Jim's link, with a little bit of rearranging, I think I could produce a decent poster (good idea about adding rule numbers!).
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Posted By: Brass
Date Posted: 25 Nov 14 at 12:57pm
The Blue/Yellow diagrams were just examples of the concept I knocked up in a hurry. Never intended to signify right of way by colour. I've always had a bit of a problem with red/green: does it mean give way/right of way or does it mean port/starboard.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 25 Nov 14 at 1:08pm
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My drawings were for a web "beginners guide". That was the point of the nine simple rules.
But there definitely seems to be a place for posters with explanations of the full fat rules for the average club sailor. That Allen A3 poster seems like a nice piece of work, and I could easily imagine a series of maybe half a dozen A4 posters with the same drawings, but divided up across posters so its not quite so intimidating as the one big one, being quite popular. Here's the poster, for those who didn't follow the link. 
You can get a PDF here. http://www.allenbrothers.co.uk/uploaded_files/ISAF_Racing_Rules_of_Sailing.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.allenbrothers.co.uk/uploaded_files/ISAF_Racing_Rules_of_Sailing.pdf You're right about Port/starboard/right/wrong Brass, never occurred to me. Perhaps we should have black boats being give way and white boats having right of way? |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 25 Nov 14 at 2:08pm
Would have the advantage of not needing colour printing, too. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: Brass
Date Posted: 25 Nov 14 at 3:11pm
I think charts like this, and the Elvstrom one, are best seen as Problem Solving tools rather than learning aids (at least for beginners).
Don't think pure black and white is a good idea: colour attracts attention and adds meaning, as long as the meaning is clear. How about red for port tack, green for starboard tack and red circle and slash through the boat for the give way boat?
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 25 Nov 14 at 3:20pm
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I like the slashed through circle. Why not put the colour somewhere else on the poster where it doesn't affect comprehension, though? That way you get your 'eye-catching' but still permit those without the colour printing facility to use the poster. A number of people can't distinguish red and green. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: maxinsis
Date Posted: 25 Nov 14 at 5:12pm
| If your public is consists of beginners however, green and red works really well (traffic lights). I noticed that with children especially. Additional symbols tend to clutter up the visual information. |
Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 25 Nov 14 at 11:28pm
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Green and red - or brown and brown for the colour blind! ------------- Gordon |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 8:55am
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At least they won't get elecrocuted like with the old wiring system! Blue and yellow seems to be quite common on the "who is in the right" drawings Gordon and others have posted on here. Works for me. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 2:28pm
How about this as a concept? Red or Green dot in normal crew position for port or starboard (should they have embedded P and S?) and black X or yellow tick for ROW or give way?
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 3:55pm
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Belt and braces! ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 4:58pm
No, I'm using the dots for port and starboard and the ticks and crosses for give way/entitled to room eg 
I've reworked the summary with some new pics - see http://www.devboats.co.uk/simplerules/" rel="nofollow - http://www.devboats.co.uk/simplerules/ There are a couple of Don becker's rules I haven't yet figured out sketches for though, and the format still needs work. |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 27 Nov 14 at 9:39am
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Very nice, I like the diagrams. One point that I think has been made already is that it would be useful to link the simple rules to the actual rules, in so far as is possible without making things too complicated. Even if you just put the numbers of the relevant ISAF rules in brackets? Presumably there is a hope that at least some will not simply master the simple rules, but may then progress to trying to understand the full rule set - it would be good to make it clear from the start what these are based on to make a transition easier. ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 27 Nov 14 at 10:27am
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Thanks for all these guys, I've printed that Allen one off here in the office going to take it down the club tonight trying to see if it'll fit in the laminator, it's A3, one thing would be useful would be a legend alongside it, of rules to rule numbers in similar format to post alongside it, did they do that? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 27 Nov 14 at 12:41pm
The Allen Poster is going up at my club too... |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 27 Nov 14 at 2:32pm
My concern was that people might assume they are the RRS numbers. No numbers at all would work for me. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |