Been nice knowing you all
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Topic: Been nice knowing you all
Posted By: scotsfinn
Subject: Been nice knowing you all
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 6:06pm
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Big day in Scotland tomorrow and yet there's nothing interesting on the Forum to take our minds off things here in the Northern United Kingdom. In case it all goes t**s up - I'll say goodbye now - it's been nice knowing you all and i hope you'll be nice to your foreign cousins if the worst happens!!!!! Oh and Barts Bash will go on regardless at Largs on Sunday  ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |
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Posted By: Kev M
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 6:16pm
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There's a thought. Next time the 300s go to Prestwick it'll be an international event just like Garda rather than a Nationals. ------------- Successfully confusing ambition with ability since 1980. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 7:06pm
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Lucky Bart's Bash is an international event... At least English and Welsh sailors wouldn't have to put up with a Nationals held in Scotland any more! The oddest I think is when the is a Nationals, Scottish Nationals and Welsh Nationals, but no Englsih Nationals, even when the Nationals are at Largs, say. Will we need to show a passport to cross the border? If not, how does Scotland plan to control immigration? Or is emmigration more of a problem? Anyway, having written down all the daft things I can think of in a hurry concerning the possible outcome of the vote, I do wish you all the best for tomorrow. Sadly, whatever the outcome, I think the divide that has been created both in Scotland and the UK will rumble on for years. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Punky
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 7:09pm
| Who'll be Scottish sailings national body? If the RYA own the IP on the py scheme, what'll the Scots use? |
Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 7:46pm
........and, for Suez, read Caledonian! 
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 7:50pm
nothing stopping them using it, issuing it is another matter entirely... oh, PY, I thought we were talking sterling. I suspect there will be a 'PY Union'... bankers in one room fixing the currency; w*nkers in the other fixing the handicaps. Bandits set to benefit from both. (that's about right isn't it Grumpf?)
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Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 8:43pm
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If the Scots go independent there is one thing that we could all benefit from...... Stable time. By this I mean that one of the big reasons given for moving the clock around is that the Scots need it! So if they go then there will be less need for the govt to play god with everybodies lives and disrupt my snoozing patterns. Down here in the Land of Far Far Away we need our own time anyway, Bristol could have its own time zone and so on as you go north. Fun Fun Fun! |
Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 8:53pm
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PY and RYA .... Salmond has that sorted, they''re keeping it ... Just like the pound and EEC membership ..even though he now's nowt aboot it .... Oh and RYA membership will be free for all. ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |
Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 8:55pm
| Can we scrap that Jules Holland Hogmany thing as well? |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 8:56pm
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Be good to have an International time line, we get to have an extra hour like Europe.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 10:09pm
What, do the French have 25 hours in the day? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 10:24pm
Yeah, they are asleep for 24 of them ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 10:27pm
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Cheerio, you off then? Please feel free to keep Alex Salmond, Alistair Darling, and Gordon Brown. Oh, and good luck
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 10:42pm
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And Tony Blair, could we send them the bill for his round the clock protection as well. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 10:43pm
You forgot Andy Murray... p.s. Can we keep Patience and Dobson though? ------------- |
Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 11:20pm
| Scottish Embassy in central London...expensive. In fact lots and lots of Scottish Embassies. Lulu can be queen though...or are the Crankies Scotts? |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 11:51pm
Could well be they are off. I would nt be surprised if Alex has been secretly promising voters he will move Scotland (with the oil fields of course) to somewhere near the Canary Islands, which would provide some most attractive sailing venues. Probably quicker to get to as well, thinking back to a drive to Skye for a bare-boat charter. I'm staying off the politics, other than to pose the question 'is there any problem where more politicians is the right answer' ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 7:16am
hmm, taking a wholly insular view on it, the major dent to any future Labour majority, or even sufficient numbers to make an effective LibLab coalition, yep... there's some benefit there. Not sure an effective choice between UKIP and Tories is exactly a democratic solution, but hey ho... we could always vote Plaid Cymru and dump the 'other' drain on our tax revenues.  ------------- |
Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 9:26am
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Haven't you gone yet? ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 9:59am
| I'm utterly bored of the whole Scottish thing now ... I actually now hope they vote yes and we cut them adrift ... they only have to look to Ireland to see the future ... |
Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 10:03am
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Looking at the value of the pound and the market this morning it looks like the no vote will romp home, bookmakers, even the up market variety, don't get the big ones wrong ------------- Finn GBR16 Thunder Road. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 10:57am
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Be nice if one side or the other romped home, and so finished this for good.
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Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 11:38am
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is there a reason why the voting cubicles are only providing pencils for marking the ballot sheets - I smell "bad fish" well rotten Salmond ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |
Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 2:12pm
The pound and market are moving forward, job done, better together  ------------- Finn GBR16 Thunder Road. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 2:16pm
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Any early exit polls?
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 2:25pm
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Coverage is being very tightly controlled at the moment so I doubt we will see anything in terms of exit Polls until after 10pm (when the stations close). As for the split, I would imagine a lot of athletes will choose to stay UK purely because of funding (no Lottery funding available for them as the Lottery is a UK entity). Some sports do not have a Scottish Governing Authority at present (sailing being one). Interesting that the the Welsh do (although that is probably an offshoot of the RYA, never really looked in to it much). Then there is the argument about BBC TV (only available to UK license payers) and other boradcasting agreements. If they do vote yes it would be a mistake (in my view and the view of a lot of scottish people that I have chatted to). Salmond is clearly delusional on a lot of issues! ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 2:44pm
| I think the whole episode will prove to be an own goal for the Scots ... many moderate people are becoming anti-Scottish over this vote ... |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 2:54pm
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Perhaps we need to 'send them homewards...to think again'....... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 2:58pm
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Maybe not anti Scottish, but maybe to start wondering how come the Scots appear to have so much say in what happens in English politics and not vice versa. Keep the UK, but divide the parliaments, with an elected (small) house of lords replacement to oversee the lot and deal with UK wide issues, such as defence. Let the country parliaments collect their own taxes to be spent as they will, with a certain % going to fund the UK. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 2:59pm
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I think this is an amazing opportunity for them, as I posted elsewhere this morning: Scotland can reboot the system with the benefit of hindsight. As a combined nation we have trod a path towards egalitarianism and social responsibility. Just think where we have come from in 200 years? If the notion of free healthcare is something to sneer at, then why do so many Americans want it? Whilst our social evolution has been more or less in the right direction, it has been a bumpy ride and there have been seismic global changes and challenges along the way. As separate entities we could re-step that path, this time doing our very best to avoid the muddy puddles. Imagine having the political and social authority to re-define an entire country based on a modern interpretation of Keynesian economic policy? A place where the the Welfare State can be re-written with the benefit of hindsight, taking into consideration issues such as Privatisation, Europe and Globalisation? A new era which addresses a Dependency Culture at root and branch with strong policy and incentives to work; something that couldn't feasible be tackled across the 60 million disparate identities in the United Kingdom, and never across the macro-state of Europe. I doubt this could even be realised in a separate England, we are too big and diverse, introverted and twisted by political correctness to take a socially responsible view about our future. Scotland is different, there still is a notion of being Scottish, and that is salvageable currently. Can you imagine a country where the immigration policies can match skills shortfalls in the Labour market? It is currently nothing more than an agent of cost reduction on human resources for corporations- corporations who would reduce state intervention to nothing but a paid-bureaucracy in Brussels. Scotland could be a place that could offset a higher payroll in return for a reduced Corp Tax bill, attracting overseas inward investment from innovative and entrepreneurial businesses who value the asset in their people. Pay peanuts get monkeys, pay a Scotsman well and you'd have his service for life- they're a loyal and proud nation. I'd say that's a competitive position for what would be a small country in the global market- skills rich, tax lean. Today sees an opportunity for the Scottish to unite their clans and grab a better future. Sure, the short term economics will be challenging. But unlike Salmond, this post isn't trying to re-buff those arguments around currency and banks with bluster and bravado- they will do what they will do, hence the mess we are in currently. I would simply ask do you believe that the Economy should serve Society, or should it be the other way around, as is the case down here in Westminster after the Labour Government forced the position and gave our nation no choice but to cut and hanker down? Carpe Diem, Scotland! ------------- |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 3:03pm
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There's a very good assessment by the ladies' favourite and archaeologist Neil Oliver floating about on Facebook. As he says, people in a fishing village in Cornwall have a lot more in common with those in a similar village in Fife that either of them does with someone in the Midlands (or cosmopolitans like those from London or Edinburgh for that matter). The identity of regions should be respected, but splitting into different nations makes little sense unless you're one of those who gets to run one of them. Beware politicians 'on the make' - and that applies to both sides... ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 3:07pm
Here's the image accompanying Oliver's piece. Yacht in the background - shame it's not a dinghy, but good man nonetheless! ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 3:10pm
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if anyone wants a further reason to support the 'Yes' campaign, just look what the pricks at http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/17/nuke-and-economic-warnings-as-cameron-makes-final-push-to-beat-back-scottish/" rel="nofollow - Fox News are worried about ------------- |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 3:18pm
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If Cameron wanted Scots to vote 'Yes', he could hardly do a better job. Which really makes you wonder. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 5:02pm
if I were Scottish, I'd be far more concerned by the damage done in Scotland by this whole messy process, if this was going to be 90/10 or even 80/20 for independence or continuation, then at least the "minority" would be small and whatever bad and blame goes around afterwards, it would be easier to shout down a small group of disparate individuals. If it's closer to 51/49....... oh dear. First thing that don't go well isn't going to be popular with a very, very, large percentage of your population (at least, while they remain a percentage of the population anyhow).
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 5:11pm
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My former Scottish mother in law, who I liked very much, insisted that the Nationalists were mostly English people who'd moved to Scotland and wanted to pull up the ladder. I took it as a joke, but listening to the interviews I wonder if she wasn't at least partly right. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 5:46pm
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Being serious about it....in the United Kingdom we are historically democratic. We understand democracy and it is part of our character. If in a general election one party wins by a few seats over the other two, it means that two thirds or so did not vote for the party in power. We accept it and wait for the next election when we can redress the problem. The vote will be close, there is just yes or no and it is final, it cannot be overturned. The result will be close. Roughly 50% will be unhappy with no second chance. Expect a few broken windows.... |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 5:48pm
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True! ------------- |
Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 5:54pm
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All in all it is going a lot smoother than the proposed split of eastern Ukraine. ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 6:20pm
So far, only so far, Mr B It may not stay that way, seems to be far more emotion than rational thought in play, and about half are not going to get what they want. ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 7:33pm
Now Clive, where's your sense of optimism? I had you more as a half full kinda guy! Just think, if half get what they want wouldn't that be an improvement? It sure beats the entire nation moaning and grumbling about the pish english ruining everything. ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 7:56pm
| What might complicate things even further is that some rumour has it the Shetlanders are unenthusiastic about the whole deal and may not fancy getting lumped in with the tartan lot. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 9:44pm
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My sister lives on Orkney, and they aren't very happy about it either. Thing is about the election comment is that you do get a chance to change things 4 years later. Here, you don't. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 6:23am
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Phew. Sigh of relief, it's No.
With a proud-to-be-British Scot without a vote as my OH & helm and his (voting) family divided, it's been very much the hot topic of discussion everywhere we've been. The yes campaign has targeted the young and fuelled them up on Braveheart and Bannockburn (the American film version of course) and it's 700th anniversary this year. I've seen them sl*gging off the "Anglish" as the cause of all ills, whilst necking down another bottle of Buckfast! OH reckons Alex Salmond should call his biography "Divide & Diminish" as that's his great achievement. |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 7:06am
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Welcomes back Scotsfinn Now can someone put wee 'eck back in his box, seal the lid, and put him in that warehouse at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 7:11am
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A great result for democracy- give people something worth voting on and politics becomes alive and impassioned. Well done Scotland, you are a beautiful country. ------------- |
Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 8:57am
X2 I won't say I told you so, but I did  ------------- Finn GBR16 Thunder Road. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 9:21am
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I kind of regret that we won't see what would have happened. All in all, though, probably a good result.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 11:39am
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Well that's 6% got a vote on what they want, what we now need is the rest of us get a vote on what we went.
a)Wether to stay in the Eu b)Wether we want to continue to subsidise Scotland ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: about a boat
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 1:18pm
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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 3:26pm
If there's a box to tick if you are in favour of shipping UKIP, SNP and the contents of those refugee camps in Calais to a remote island with no phones, internet or escape.... I'm in!
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 5:03pm
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Isn't that an oxymoron? ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Time Lord
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 7:36pm
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If there's a box to tick if you are in favour of shipping UKIP, SNP and the contents of those refugee camps in Calais to a remote island with no phones, internet or escape.... I'm in! Great idea but add all the b**** politicians to the group!! ------------- Merlin Rocket 3609 |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 7:41pm
It's a Friday, give me a break, my brain melted due to the DZ thread.....you are right though |
Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 10:48pm
Excuse me while I vomit
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 20 Sep 14 at 8:06am
| There are certainly parts of Scotland that are quite magnificently beautiful. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 20 Sep 14 at 8:55am
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And the riots started last night...
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 20 Sep 14 at 11:12am
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Hoax uploaded-photos of the 2011 London riots aside, it sounds like a normal Friday night in Glasgow to me! ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 20 Sep 14 at 9:56pm
..... bu**er the politics let's support Barts Bash and go sailing - no wind but who cares Oh and nice to be back!!! hopefully we'll have at least 55% of the fleet out there ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |