New scoring system
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Topic: New scoring system
Posted By: fab100
Subject: New scoring system
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 11:48am
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Following some chat on the RS100 forum, I've decided we need a new scoring system that reflects my advancing years. Hence... For every decade younger than me someone is, they get one point added to their place score for every 10 boats in the fleet. Obviously, this rule should not apply for anyone older than me. So, simplifying, we get <"years younger than clive" times "boats entered" over 100> As an example, someone 15 years younger than me in a 15 boat fleet gets an extra 2.25 points ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
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Posted By: Null
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 11:52am
| Interesting Clive, but is age a handicap? I am not too sure, sailing is a tactical game as much as a physical game isnt it? The older chaps seem to have more experience and therefore should you not be handicapped for your 'years on the water'??? OR is sailign getting more and more physical? i know i am quicker when i am able to hike harder and longer. |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 12:00pm
you are talking about RS100s right? So what happens when you don't get 10 boats anymore...  ------------- |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 12:16pm
Sch - don't tell them that! ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 12:19pm
No, I'm talking generically, but I was laying money you'd say something like that. You're getting sooo predictable ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 12:50pm
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You can only be unpredictable once. Maybe I'll buy another one in a couple of years and enter the nationals. That would be unpredictable. Besides I've always fancied calling myself a 'top-ten' sailor just once in my lifetime. No one needs to know there were only 7 of us competing. ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 1:15pm
I wouldn't say age is the handicap, but the silly injuries that come with it are. I've got this stupid dodgy shoulder at the moment, I got it playing bloody cricket weeks ago, I can't raise my arm above the horizontal, makes right handed wiggle sticking quite painful, but not enough to stop me doing it. What would be painful, yea near impossible, would be if I fell in and had to try and reach up to get the bloody centreboard within heaving distance. So this Sunday in what was going to inevitably be a lively race (and was, pretty much everyone even the good guys went in) I turned tail at the gun and headed in, not wishing to become another liability for the rescue boat. When you are in your thirties and forties you can bounce back from silly muscular/tendon injuries, even in your fifties, providing you are fit, hell you can even head butt a promenade wall at high speed and be back on the water within weeks, but post 60? no, post 65 to be more accurate, they have a habit of being very very debilitating however high your pain threshold is or has been and take ages to repair if ever totally. So, yes, Age eventually takes its toll even if you believe you're a super hero.. Sadly you're not, you're damnably mortal, your sick with decrepitude and it's headed your way. Getting old and still doing sh*t, aint for pussies.  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 1:41pm
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I like to be ahead of my time - my 40s have been the decade for falling apart. I'm hoping to get it all over with in time for my 50s.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 2:04pm
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In my experience, the older I get the less I drink, mainly due to feeling more knackered earlier than before, which means I get more sleep than my younger competitors*, which means I am a bit fresher in the first race of a day and clapping out in the second... perhaps energy gels are the answer past a certain decade or 3, or 4.....you may say experience teaches you more than youthful exurberance can provide in terms of physical effort, but I may actually be fitter now than I was in my teens / twenties, when a love for pasties, 6X and staying up to all hours probably meant I wasn't exactly at 'peak performance' most of the time
*this could well be influenced by having a bit more dosh to lavish on B&B's meaning a lot less kipping in the car / tents too!
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Posted By: Null
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 2:06pm
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I think I'm going to be in trouble by the time I hit 50! just about half way through my 30's. I have a dodgy hip starting to cause me grief and back issues. Not to mention tendinitis. My Dad is mid 60's and has had two knee replacements and a hip replacement. I have never, ever had a problem with injury bar an achilles problem as a teenager. Since i turned 30 things take so long to recover. I am fitter now then i have been for about 14 years as well. I would however say that whilst my fitness contributes to my results, its the tactical side of my sailing thats improved. Therefore I am faster than I was 10 years ago, mainly because i have learnt how to sail a boat quicker. Not because I can ride, jog or swim further.
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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 2:21pm
| Null, FWIW, sounds like you need to find a sports-massage specialist, I did in my early 30's after wasting cash on fake-quack chiro-takeurmoneyanddofeckall-practors for some time..... if you get a good one, they can not only sort out the aches and pains, but also advise you on the right pre and post exercises to do, meaning you won't make anything worse or end up suffering into Tues-Weds for a heavy-airs Sunday |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 2:36pm
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I have an excellent massage person, and now do Yoga. Meant I got though my August/September sailing schedule this year OK.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 3:16pm
| i am pushing 69 now. i am comparably fit and not overweight, not withstanding two stents and a heart attack. What I suffer from is fading enthusiasm for excessive stress and falling in. Our oldest active member is 76 and still sails his Phantom at every available opportunity. I would like to say that I envied him but he is a peculiarly driven man whose feats I do not wish to emulate. |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 5:25pm
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It was a bod on his 75th birthday that convinced me against my better Judgement to haul sail and get out there on sunday, Dr Death, he sails a Laser, which is a tad more manageable than that EPS on the sea in 20 knots with that bloody 9.4, I wouldn't go out on a windsurfer with a 9.4 in that, so it doesn't make sense going out in something I'm less competent in with a big sail and sporting an injury.
I used to find in my thirties what took two weeks in my twenties took three, including returning to half decent fitness after a layoff, in my forties it's best not to let yourself get too unfit, it took forever to get it back, then you have mid life issues like going for PB's doing stupid running and crap, but injuries were not such an issue. In my fifties I had a few things but they still only took weeks rather than the months that seem to go on now. It doesn't look good going forward does it? Probably best not to dwell on it and just keep doing what you can. An easier boat would be a bonus though and that doesn't include boats with daggerboards and dagger rudders on the sea, sometimes I hanker for a Phantom, my pal just blatted round, didn't even go in once. I've even wondering Vario just for a bit until my crew gets better, could I hold that Merlin if I managed to stay with them upwind on the first beat? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: balladsailor
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 6:50pm
We discussed something similar at Sailfest; my grandson suggested that we add our ages to our PY, then he did the maths! Finn sailed by a 15 year old against Supernova sailed by 66 yr old grandfather..... He rapidly backed down, though I thought it was a great idea!
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Posted By: pondscum
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 7:50pm
| Right Clive, like you need any help to trounce me. You'll just do it even faster now... |
Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 8:51pm
| On my 60th Birthday my friends held a Birthday Regatta for me. (I was touched). We devised a handicap formula where your handicap was based on the number of children conceived by the sailors in each boat. (not conceived actually in the boat you understand). We were sailing Tasar at the time, me 4, my mate 5, total 9......and we still could not win! |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 9:46pm
Vario - is that an auto-correct typo? I thought a Vario had a daggerboard, is my memory going too? And with a Vario's narrow beam and your reluctance to hike, I'm afeared you'll get beaten to the ww mark by a hard sailed Laser and that Miracle, never mind a Merlin ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 10:14pm
FIRE  "The intended users are mainly a slightly different demographic to the regular Blaze - the young(er) ... and old(er) plus the very light and females. The performance is very crisp and 'Fire' is hardly slow but it is less demanding particularly in higher wind strengths." I'd have one if it was my only boat. For now though the old Contender only cost peanuts and all my priorities are in the two man boat and the canny blokes who do all the essential work at the front.
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 17 Sep 14 at 10:45pm
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Forget the Vareo- you'll be lucky to hold a Laser. Get a D-One for Merlin challenges... ------------- |
Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 11:29am
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Grf
Forget the Vario upwind they are a complete waste of space and compared to a Merlin not a chance in hell! Aero or Zero would be much better. ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 7:52pm
| If anybody did an analysis of that bastion of middle aged sailing, the Solo fleet, I suspect they might find that many of the guys who were in the top 10-15 in big Championship fleets when they were in their 30s and 40s are now (with a few exceptions), twenty years later, finishing 10-20 places below that they achieved at their peak. Maybe you could put an average elapsed time value on that and come up with an amended age-based handicap. The boat is not as physically demanding to sail as many others and so provides a good basis for comparison. |