Does the RS100 have a future?
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Topic: Does the RS100 have a future?
Posted By: Dave3165
Subject: Does the RS100 have a future?
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 1:51pm
| I was looking at the RS100 as a possible single-hander anyone in the family could use. Low maintence, intersting sai-plan, good performance, reasonable price. What's a bit worrrying is the nationals attendance which is perhaps not the best measure of class popularity but one of the few measures we have. 47 boats in 2011 25 in 2014? Maybe the open circuit is good? My question is: "is the class dying or thriving?" |
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 1:55pm
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before answering your latter question, I'd be more interested in asking if you're sure it's really a great boat for anyone in the family to use? Strong teenage lads and an amazonian misses...? Maybe. If not, then surely the Aero, or the Vareo with its optional storm sail, might be a better option. With regards the other question, it's not on its arse just yet... but the class kicked a small minority out when they effectively vetoed the 10.2 sail. I guess it could recover as a proper one design, and if the depreciation gets much worse then it won't be long until the older boats are in that moribund student territory that the 600 was in not so long ago.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 2:08pm
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Another measure is the number of races reported in the PYS return.
I don't see why it shouldn't have a market, but its one of those classes that had a lot of people jump on and off again. One issue is that it seems to be a bit of a one trick pony in that it doesn't seem very satisfactory reaching and isn't as nice as either the 300 or the Aero upwind. |
Posted By: Punky
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 2:11pm
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Posted By: Dave3165
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 2:25pm
| Some good points made. I was thinking there isn't much between boats like the RS700, Musto Skiff and say a Solo. Interesting coment on the reaching.... I thought it would be good with that Asymetric. |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 2:30pm
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Jim's point is reaching in single-sail mode... you won't be able to hold that kite at a very high angle in any sort of breeze, there just isn't the righting moment (beam) to do it. That said, they are great fun blasting downwind, (one trick pony is a good approximation), but to give you another analogy, it's like going on a ski holiday and forgetting your lift pass.... for every screaming bit of fun you have downhill, there's a horrible trudge back up to the top again. I'm assuming you mean 'solo' as in 'Swift Solo', not the Jack Holt designed water-pusher? ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 2:34pm
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I don't think it should be a question 'is the class dying' more how is the company that builds it doing, and I'd say they're doing just fine.
As for their 'Nationals' the way they run them it is hardly surprising no one bothers to go, out on the water miles out to sea all day, but that doesn't mean there are not lots of them about racing, so if you like it then get it, it's not a very difficult boat, but needs a bit of getting used to getting back in if you fall out, it can be a problem on your own and you might need a rescue boat to steady the nose and come in over the back if you get knackered. Upwind it isn't the most stunning performer but from memory I'd say a lot nicer in that it holds its track better than an Aero which will need some concentration in order to get it to hold a line and with the big sail in light winds I found it could keep much faster boats at bay, the small sail I couldn't beat a Laser with. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Dave3165
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 2:39pm
| Certainly RS is doing well but remember they are a business and are into production runs, profit margins and such so if nobosdy is buying their interest would rightly be elswhere... |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 2:53pm
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They no longer build the RS300....... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 2:55pm
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I think their interest most certainly lies in other directions currently, the RS Aero seems to have a large amount of time focus on it- as it should, the RS100 is old hat now and as the product matured the reception has become somewhat more mixed. That doesn't mean that a second hand boat from any of the rest of their range is something to worry about- quite the contrary if your first post here was asking for opinions on the RS300, a class they effectively disowned last year, but seems to be doing very nicely thank-you!!! ------------- |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 2:58pm
They never built it in the first place, it's always been an outsourcing operation, so the quality comes and goes depending on who the current build partner happens to be. It could be argued it's in more caring hands. I know there's a cracking offer on one from BY@B right now, and I certainly would have no qualms about their quality standards - a fantastic UK yard. Phone up, agree the price and drive down and pick it up... what's not to like? ------------- |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 4:01pm
I know but they have not been actively marketing or pushing it for some time. leading to a dry up in the supply of new boats. Now the 300 class/RS have agreed that boats can be built outside of the RS stable it could see a resurgence. Like that Blaze has done since it broke away from Topper a number of years ago.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 4:11pm
Had both the 100 and the Aero on demo at our club recently. Universal opinion was that the Aero was a much nicer boat to sail uphill than the 100. 300 better yet, but of course much less accessible. |
Posted By: Punky
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 4:19pm
| Interesting. What is wrong with the 100 upwind? It has more leverage than the Aero. Is the mast too soft? Too much rocker? Centreboard in the wrong place? Did they not learn from the Vareo? |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 4:23pm
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someone I know said it was crap upwind because the rocker line wasn't adjusted to take account of the weight stripping that went on between prototype and production boat. One bloke's opinion, told second hand... so take it for that's worth anyway. ------------- |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 5:36pm
Well, unlike the naysayers here, I love it and so do the friendly, committed and lovely-company gang (me excepted obviously) who sail them at club and on the circuit. However, "anyone in the family" is a bit of a catch-all - this is a pretty high-performance beast, not a shin-trashing Solo or something aimed at someone who has just attained their RYA level 2. So, sailing it can be a challenge (is that not the idea) but it's darn good fun. Yes you need to work hard upwind (and down) but unlike the 200, my knees don't hurt after a hard day. Then again my knees don't hurt when I have to work just as hard in the Laser, but the runs in that now seem interminable by comparison. You may have read on various threads here that the 100 is no fun around the cans. Nonsense, I sail mine on Frensham and enjoy that more than the series I did at HISC. And I'm no less competitive in it than in my Laser or 200. I beat Nick Craig (in his D1) in 2 Wednesday races this year - I'd never beaten him in 20+ years of trying before that. Frensham has gone from 1 (me) to 4 now. Yes, the kite is huge, relatively speaking, so you will never be able to fetch with it, unlike a 200. But hanging as high as you can with it is both a skill and a challenge. I used to find the thing a struggle on a single-sail reach - then worked out that the issue was treating it still as an asymmetric so not pulling the plate up. Does not apply on a single sail reach - just pull the board mostly up and be ready sit right, right at the back (like a D1 or 300). No longer an issue. Yes numbers at champs have been down but the racing is pretty damn tight most of the time at champs and opens. There's been quite a drop out rate from the early adopters as has been stated, but when you have that frenzied kick-off, I'd say that is inevitable. So try it and make your own mind up, based on sailing the thing; just don't be shy to ask for some tips if you need them - by all means PM me if you like Clive I've not sailed a 300, but I've won our Phantom open and far prefer the 100 ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 5:47pm
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Well said that man, come to the 100 forum, arrange a test sail and make your own mind up. Take anything posted here with a very generous pinch of salt.
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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 6:03pm
Correct Some of the forum posters will one day realise that just because they have not been able to sail a boat well (or well enough), or it doesn't suit them, that it must be rubbish or on the way out. There aren't many poor boats out there to be fair. The digs on here at the 100, Phantom etc are generally meaningless |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 7:15pm
True- the best test is your own test, but I'm not sure you'd get a balanced view on the RSS100 forum either, good place to arrange a test sail though. In sifting through the various opinions and options on boats out there, those who have enough b**locks to say it how it is, or was for them, as opposed to having a vested interest, be that equity invested in a class or direct commercial interest, do provide some foil to the inevitable 'my class is the best class' that you get on class Facebook pages and forums. I saw some guy who as struggling with his Vareo ask some questions of the RS100 boys- I loved the crap they came up with. A Vareo is a far easier boat to sail- even RS would agree wouldn't they Rich? ------------- |
Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 8:13pm
Don't quite understand this last bit ? My point is simply that attempting to highlight the apparent demise of any class cant be healthy. With regards to, for example, the Phantom - 50 boats at a nationals is good these days. Perhaps the 100 has suffered a little as the D One slowly emerges ?. Is that because the D Ones are now a bit more affordable ? |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 8:43pm
In my experience no, at least the Vareo I sailed anyhow... It was less responsive, the kicker was not good, it was more uncomfortable and I thought the kite was more effort to hoist and drop.
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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 10:31pm
Oh James give it a rest, you sound more and more like someone aggrieved after a failed love-affair. This was one of those posts you call 'crap' from an ex-Vareo champion who now sails a 100 (it all sounds pretty fair and objective to me) to the question "...is a 100 a much harder boat to cope with? ": "I switched from Vareo to 100 three years ago (to get fleet racing at my club and a more active open meeting circuit).
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Posted By: Bellingforth
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 10:33pm
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Looks like it's going to have a future at Paignton this weekend - http://www.paigntonsailingclub.com/POSH/Entries.php" rel="nofollow - http://www.paigntonsailingclub.com/POSH/Entries.php ------------- Icon 04 Blaze 840 "Ate For Tea" |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 10 Sep 14 at 10:37pm
And the only reason I will not be there is because i've injured myself and been banned by the Doc from sailing, dammit ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 7:30am
And with the moniker 'Fab100' you sound more like an infatuated school kid who can't see no wrong in Mary Jane Rottencrotch... Personally I think the Vareo is far easier to sail and handle- it's positioned so in the RS range, so IMHO, RS have got that right. I've owned both and feel qualified to comment and voice an opinion on it. They also offer a storm sail and a radial cut kite - which might make a more interesting proposition if you fancy something different to a Laser or an Aero. Getafix disagrees and says he thinks the 100's easier, as is his right and I wouldn't question that principle... and I also think it's healthy for discussion, after all it's best to hear two sides to a debate before forming an opinion usually.
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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 10:13am
Touché! But I can just imagine the nonsense you would come up with if I changed that moniker. I was happy with it when I chose it and still have no problem with it. Would I sell any more books if it became ClubSailor? Doubt it, so it stays. I don't feel I need to change my ID every few months to disassociate myself from my previous opinions and assertions either. Now can we call a truce on the personal leg-pulling. Perhaps it's time to ask grf about lee-bow effects or kites lifting the bow again. Or better yet, how a thicker hull skin makes a boat float higher. ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 10:28am
There were a fair number of t.wats that follow your belief that would have done well to listen to mine in that round island race I did recently, clearly they read your book. Kite's lifting bow? Not one of mine. Sandwich hull construction? yep hands up to that, have two boards one with one without could even prove it to a dimwit pond botherer should I wish to divert myself from watching paint dry for excitement. Interesting there are almost as many RS100's as Phantoms on apolloduck at the moment, must be the company they keep.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 10:38am
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And yellow welly sl*gs them off too. All of his jilted lovers ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: blaze720
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 11:06am
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I thought the 'silly season' normally ended about now .... sledging 'other' classes and other peoples choices is not really why most of us do this sport surely ... Apart from anything else - it is fast becoming just plain boring. If you've the type who gets that incessant itch to scatch at occasionally try standing back from the keyboards for a few days and just maybe go 'sailing'. Mike L. |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 11:34am
Hmm Phantoms- sl*g them off, not so. Just not my cup tea, prefer the Blaze and 300 that's all. ------------- |
Posted By: hobbiteater
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 12:37pm
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sailing for the family - i sailed one at one of those holiday places for fun not long after doing my l2. Im far from a hero sailor and wouldnt have wanted to race it but in a steady F3 i sailed it ok* and had fun. if the families not going to go out in strong winds and not going to race then thed probably be ok i think. *ok = i didnt fall in nor feel out-of-control, my course was probably not ideal and the sail shape would have been far from right.
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 2:59pm
Nor do I, like Lily Allen said on Desert Island Discs, I reserve the right to change my opinion. I'll extend that to usernames, windsurf boards and dinghy classes too if I so feel. None have a marriage contract in place. Nor am I embarrassed of any former opinions, I just accept that experience counts for something; what I want from my sailing might change through life's winding road and that novelty values and gimmicks in sailing hardware are just that. I would put most asymmetric hiking boats into that category- a rather awkward hangover from an era of crap production asymmetric boats - unless of course you have the space to enjoy them, in which case, I'd personally pick the D-One over the RS100 for a whole host of reasons, aesthetics not being one of them mind.  With regards my opinions on your current class, I've been happy to share and laugh about them in other threads. Being one of the majority of early adopters who binned it off within a couple of years, I don't think they're that far off the mark either. But with this thread in particular I tried to answer the OP- see P1 - and in offering alternatives (as IMHO, the 100 would be a crap boat for 'all' the family), I even had the courtesy to suggest other boats which I believe are more suitable from the same business. I didn't 'sledge' the class- my words were "it's not on its arse just yet... " suggesting there is still some hope you guys might turn around the dropping numbers from your circuit. Either way, I'd still say crap boat for the family, even if the OP fancied a punt on one and picked it up cheap enough for depreciation not to be a major consideration. Without knowing much more about the OP's wants and desires, I'd have thought the Aero is bang on the money for him and his family. A Vareo being the other viable alternative as you can take a passenger out in relative comfort. There are other boats of course from other builders, but I don't see the point in suggesting them in the context of the originating post. Anyway happy sailing Clive, I still enjoy reading your book... I must confess to picking it up before the weekend and have a flick through. I hadn't raced for a good while and it was worth getting my head around some of the basics again. Good Start - Clean Air - Clean Roundings.... when I achieved that I had Top 10 results by the windward mark 3 out of 6 races, not bad for a 100kg intermediate sailor in sub 5 knots on essentially a slalom hybrid board.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 3:44pm
| How do you know you're one of a majority of early adopters? |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 4:03pm
he's on a roll Jim, don't invade his head with logic and practicalities ...
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 5:13pm
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Quite simple Jim- I have the entry list from the first Nationals and can cross reference it with who is still sailing them. I also ran a website where quite a few of the early adopters filled in a sailor profile with their boat numbers. Sad though it is, I monitor boat values of classes I'm interested in through apollo duck, Y&Y classifieds etc. When I was younger and bought the magazine, I always read it back to front. I was the other half of Russy's Facebook group with nearly 6000 members selling dinghies and dinghy bits. Having painstakingly uploaded, and/or corrected the formatting of the sailor profiles and boat numbers etc, as well as moderated and uploaded adverts for RS100s on both Facebook and my old site, I know a fair few of the boats which have changed hands- more than once on occasion. I'm also privy to some information on boats which were replaced under warranty. But that's a separate issue. So yes, I know quite a few early adopters who are no longer sailing them, including some guys who I still keep in touch with from other parts of the world. There are a number on this forum alone- and we know we're not the most representative. Majority or not? Yes- in my opinion, of true early adopters anyway.... but I don't think that is that abnormal for large scale churn on new boats - I think it was you who thought that a boom/bust might occur once 'we' all found out what asymmetric single handing in hiking boats would actually be like. FWIW - you made a brave and correct decision with the ++ not putting a kite on it.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 Sep 14 at 6:30pm
It wasn't really very brave. I "tried before I buyed" by doing a few races singlehanded with the Cherub and decided it wasn't a game I wanted to play. I did a race in an RS100 recently and it didn't do anything to change my opinion of how *I* want to race a singlehanded boat. |
Posted By: haroosh
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 10:20am
Hi Dave,
In response to your original question I dont think the class is dying as its never been a huge class as such in the first place. However what I can say is its a fantastic little boat and a great design in my opinion. It is the first boat I have ever held on to for more than 2 seasons so been through alot of classes over the years.
Its a great all rounder and really simple to sail. I sail PY racing at our club and have the benefit of sailing windward/leeward most of the time in an asymetric class and its super for that.
I had a couple of seasons at a sheltered (almost inland) club and raced all sorts of courses against solos and things and even then I found it great fun.
My wife can sail it and I have taken the kids out occasionaly for a blast so pretty versatile.
Alot of the guys on this forum had them early on and sold them within a season or 2 so maybe didnt give it as good a go as they could of?
Go grab a go of one and I bet you will love it.
Cheers, Keith..
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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 2:56pm
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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 3:01pm
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Well said
Most boats require more than one season to learn how to sail them anywhere near properly. Once you can sail then to a decent level (i.e so that its not just the helm limiting the boat) only then should you start to be in a position to comment on their 'issues'. It can be tempting to hop from boat to boat moaning about the last one but, as with most things in life, if you give them a chance and work at it you may get somewhere and realise that its not the boat ! |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 3:19pm
another one of life's little bits of bullsh*t... I jumped in a Finn, never sailed one before in my life, but came away not too shabby in a mixed handicap fleet- about the same as where I came in an RS100 class regatta, somewhere mid-fleet when I put some effort in. It was about the same placing as with the D-Zero when I stuck one around a couple of laps of a Haversham club race. I doubt that 2 seasons in either of these classes would have improved my performance by anything like 10 or 15%- so apply that to corrected time, over a season of results, and you'd see naff all difference. That's why the names cited in the OK nationals write-up joining class front of fleet regulars are also the same guys who transferred skills in from other classes like Solos and Phantoms. Now obviously as with most things, there are exceptions- a Moth or MPS, granted, they have known learning curves- but even then the Drapers and Morrisons of the world went to the Hayling worlds with certain expectations inside the Gold Fleet, despite lack of time in the class by normal standards. The f**kin' point of the RS100 was that it didn't need the same kind of commitment as one of those more technical classes. And FWIW, I don't believe it does- it's attainable for a club level laser sailor inside a couple of hoists and gybes. So your point about needing several years in it is pretty invalid. Please don't chuck someone's opinion out just because you don't deem they've done enough time in it, although I personally put in 18 months I think - in fact sailing a broader range of boats probably gives them better insight in to how it lines up compared to those others- far more so when they've paid for it themselves and have a far more holistic view of what the class / product offers as a genuine punter. ------------- |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 4:02pm
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Might not make much difference in a handicap race, and there will always be some guys who can class hop at the top of a fleet (though even Nick Craig commented that the OK was really hard to get back into the groove after time away), but if you look at the top end of most of the established fleets, the majority of the people have been sailing them for years, decades even, and it is very difficult for even talented sailors to break into that bunch. Problems come for a class when it isn't just like that on the water, but on the land as well. The 100 certainly hasn't been around long enough for anyone to have got the last tiny bit of tuning and speed out of it. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 4:02pm
Now there is an interesting hypothetical question; how would the me of five years ago, in my first few weeks in a 100 compare over a race course to the me now with all that extra time in the boat, but carrying an extra five years of ageing into the second half of my 50s? Hmm, interesting. What is for sure is that I know now how to make the hanging around between races on extreme days far easier - and that impacts race performance (or even whether you decide "enough's enough for today") ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 4:11pm
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It wasnt 'several years' - at least a season I said.
Well for one I know that the Finn needs a huge amount of time to get it going well (against other Finns). Read Nick Craigs comments on his Finn sailing experiences. The same applies to many other boats. I'm not really taking about mixed handicap sailing. If you are talking about pottering around in mixed handicap club racing then of course people can switch easily. In fleet sailing tiny improvements make a massive difference and results improve correspondingly. Yes - most people can jump from one dinghy to another and sort of sail it but to sail it well is another thing altogether. There is a difference between just sailing well (and very well in some cases) and actually sailing your boat well. That's why (super stars excepted) the guys that persevere generally work their way up their class fleets. |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 4:20pm
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Yep, it's an interesting proposition. However I don't think anyone who's owned one would say it takes a full year to get anything like their peak performance out of one- unlike say an RS600, 700 or even, 300. Of course, there will be marginal improvements over the course of ownership - maybe you learn the nuances to keep it going better in lighter winds, or maybe you lose a bit of weight, or just have your head screwed on with less distractions to your sailing and get more TOW; but as a general observation, I'd say the 5 years experience is insignificant over the 40 or so sailing other boats to give you boat skills and tactical awareness. As such, I don't think it's logical to attempt to discredit those of us who did ditch it as simply deficient in determination or failing to serve an apprenticeship or gaining some other pseudo-skillset that plugging away at it will bring. If the boat requires that much effort to get it dialled-in, then frankly RS truly did f*ck up the design brief! ------------- |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 4:27pm
said like a true RS sailor, still believing the hype of the RS circuits... that pottering around is the primary sailing on offer now in the UK. Even at national circuit level, the 'pottering about' winter events carry as much gravitas as some class opens. This is the first year where a summer series has become available too. And please remember we are talking about the RS100 - a class which can barely get 8 visiting boats to an open. No offence, but given the hassle of getting around the country to do them, I'd pick pottering around in a handicap fleet (in an appropriate boat) every time. And no, you don't need 'more than one season' to assess whether the RS100 is an appropriate boat to do that in, just in case 'time in the boat' bestows upon you some mythical hidden skill-set.
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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 5:30pm
Jimbo: I'm getting worried about your blood pressure old bean. It's POETS day. Time to leave the internet alone for the day and open a bottle of something chilled. And Suntouched, please deliver Jimbo's D0 and give him a boat to sail ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 5:54pm
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 6:03pm
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Well, I certainly don't potter in handicap races, but nor do I think the last couple of % points of speed (which will certainly be there to be gained in a 2nd season of sailing a boat) make as much difference in a handicap race as in a class race, where getting your nose in front can give you clear air and make you look like a sailing god, whereas getting someones dirty air can leave you struggling to get past the mid fleet. Was doing that last weekend - results ranging from 2nd to 13th from 26 boats.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 6:33pm
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My apologies Rich, wires must be crossed, I'd been led to believe you worked for RS! happy to be corrected though. Forums hey... And don't worry Fab100, your cross dressing secret's safe with me, and no I don't think it would affect book sales too badly...
Rupert's summary is spot on btw- my point is that you don't need to find that final 2% to assess if a new to market boat is as good as you had hoped it would be for the sailing you hoped you would be doing. ------------- |
Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 7:17pm
Crumbs - RS would never hire me ! No prob
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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 9:07pm
He reckons you work for RS. But he's accusing me of being a cross-dresser; not sure I want to know his fantasies, particularly if I am in them. ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 9:54pm
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No mate, I was told he worked for RS - but that's been corrected.
As for the cross dressing, maybe it was someone else from Fowey with tinted specs... ------------- |