Sailracer or Sailwave?
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Forum Name: Race Management
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Topic: Sailracer or Sailwave?
Posted By: iGRF
Subject: Sailracer or Sailwave?
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 10:59am
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Until now, I've completely steered clear of all this working out results on handicap nonsense other than to moan about it on here and try and fathom some logic to it all, there is none, I have however come under a little pressure from the sailboard community to try an get something formal organised for Boards. I've noticed Sailracer and Simon Lovesy who kindly posts on here from time to time, but there's another outfit, Sailwave is it?
So could someone explain what you do, how you use these two, are they similar, does one work better than the other, what algorithms do they employ (one of them spits out a yardstick recommendation apparently) can't remember which one it is and of course which one if possible runs native on a mac or is it a cloud software web browser sort of deal? Explain as if addressing a child please(I'm sure there are lots of others who read these things that up until now neither know nor care), my crew has put his back out, I'm thinking of finding him something useful to do, but he's totally new to sailing and all your bollox, so words of not too many syllables please... (I'm not saying he's a child or thick, i want it explained simply to me as well, I'm not totally stupid but sailing stuff generally, if there are two ways to do things, an easy and a difficult way you know which way you lot choose..)it is also 2014 and Windoze is dead, an iPad app is my preference and Mac compatibility a definite. 1) How do we go about recording the result on these programmes? 2) Which one do we use? 3)Then Uploading them to a central site. Their websites suck by the way. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 11:24am
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I thought sailwave was simply a free computer programme, and sailracer an organisation, so I think I need educating too.
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 12:01pm
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Sailracer is a site for collating your results and doing some analysis (I seem to recall it is part of the PYS online system or vice-versa). Sailwave is pretty simple for working your results out and you can then upload it directly to PYS online to do your return and it will give you back suggested numbers and a confidence factor ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Simon Lovesey
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 12:45pm
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SailRacer is a company, we have an office and staff We organise events like SailFest and SailJuice Winter Series We provide support to other events with things like GPS tracking, websites, analysis and online coverage etc eg Techno Worlds (400+ boards) http://techno.sailracer.org" rel="nofollow - http://techno.sailracer.org For the RYA we run the PYS system, collecting and processing thousands of handicap results etc. We also have a database of over a million results. Sailwave is an excellent piece of scoring software run by volunteers, we have integration between our respective systems, so you can score a race with Sailwave and upload to SailRacer for promotion etc Both Sailwave and SailRacer belong to the Sailing Software Alliance, a group of providers focussing on sailing and looking to co-operate to improve the end solutions in what is a very small market
------------- http://www.sailracer.org" rel="nofollow - www.sailracer.org Online Sailing Results, GPS Tracking & Event Management |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 12:46pm
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So you need both then?
Sailwave is ancient, 2001 low tech, needs a steam PC to work, that Sail racer looks more recent but does it do the same thing, it's not obvious from its website.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 12:48pm
OMG so it's all your fault its going so pear shaped then and there was I moaning about the RYA and PYAG and all along your computer programme is probably wrong...  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Simon Lovesey
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 1:04pm
Don't shoot the messenger, the key is there is now a centralised resource of data to help the decision making process, moving away from the finger in the air bar talk of the past. Although early days, we are starting to see many different ways of doing scoring using lots of data ------------- http://www.sailracer.org" rel="nofollow - www.sailracer.org Online Sailing Results, GPS Tracking & Event Management |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 2:58pm
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So how long have you been doing this Simon?
Oh and do I use your programme for my board project or do i have to get a steam PC and run Sailwave? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 3:23pm
Sailwave runs fine on all versions of windows I believe....I certainly had no issues when using it on WIN7 (not tried it on Win8/8.1 yet). ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 3:26pm
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Windoze is steam PC, I want, no, I demand a Mac version or a tablet at the very least. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 3:31pm
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http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/" rel="nofollow - http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/ Remember it is free software so the guys who do it are doing it for nowt. I know it runs well on emulators under various flavours of Linux/Unix and as the latest MAC OS is based on Unix then it should be ok.... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 5:03pm
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Thanks jeffers I've downloaded it I'll give it a go.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 8:57pm
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Graeme,
As Im sure you know really, Sailwave is a very good results package for calculating your clubs race results. There are plenty of people on here who use it and have done so for well over 15yrs. As long as you make sure you get all the settings right, its dead easy, simply add competitors and then add the race start times and the competitors finish time and then press 'rescore' and job done. It allows you to publish the results to files on your PC or you can set it up to .ftp straight to your website. You'll then need to create a PYS account for Hythe SC and upload from Sailwave into PYS. Not only does this simplify the returns process as you wont have to calculate the suggested PYs for every boat in every race, but it also means that you have no excuse for not getting your on the sea returns in to the RYA. As for Sailracer, Simon runs the PYS site for the RYA and I believe operates online entries for big events and facilitates the results capture and communication. In order to proceed you only need Sailwave and PYS |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 9:43pm
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So the entire system has been computerised then?
And we wonder why it is so badly screwed up? I've not used it, I've walked past heads buried in laptops glanced over shoulders, but they are PC's and I do steer very clear of them. Sailracer and the sail juice series? Of course I'd trust them with my life, I mean why wouldn't I, they're a not for profit company of course? No? Really? Anyway I shall have to look further and see how far the rabbit hole goes. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: SUGmeister
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 10:48pm
There is of course also the Sailwave User Forum with, as of today, 2327 members, which has been providing fully comprehensive support for 13 years now. There are plenty of users who use Macs to run Sailwave as there are also linux users.
------------- Simon SUGmeister I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me. |