One race Nationals
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Topic: One race Nationals
Posted By: Rupert
Subject: One race Nationals
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 12:18pm
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Just been reading about the I14 PoW cup, which sounded rather epic. Are they the last class left where the one race make the National champion? The Fireflies had the Gore as the Championship race years ago, and did the N12s do the same with the Burton Cup? Anyone else do it/used to do it? Any classes temped to introduce it? It has a certain simplicity about it. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 12:58pm
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When you look back at the Canoe History it seems there didn't use to be any such thing as a National Championship. There were a number of trophies that were competed for on different days of the week long national meeting, but one wasn't necessarily a bigger deal than another. As far as I can see it was only when they started introducing points scores for the whole week that they declared a National Champion. I think the 14s were unusual in that one of the prizes was always considered a bigger deal than the others, and they declared it to be the National Championship, which in itself is odd if you think about it, because normally a Championship is a series of races or competitions or whatever, not a single entity.
For my money if it isn't a series then its not a championship. |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 1:33pm
I have to say the brutality of 'winner takes all' makes it very appealing reading... as for whether I'd consider it a full-blown championship if I were competiting... sure, why not, even a muppet like me could 'get lucky' in one race so I rather like the idea of it.  ------------- |
Posted By: Null
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 2:17pm
Even a blind squirrel trips over the occasional nut jimbo!!! However if you ever get that lucky, buy a lottery ticket big boy!
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 2:32pm
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I've never bought a lottery ticket in my life mate... I pay enough tax. ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 3:05pm
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We had the Southern Area EPS Championships the other day, that was a one race only affair and only 1 boat showed up, I won.
Oh and I've just had another thought we also held the South Eastern Icon Championships over the weekend, I came second.
National Championships, it such bollox. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 3:34pm
Do you prefer the term "class championships?" Mind, if people from all over the country come to one place and sail together in a competitive way, aren't they deciding who is the best of them nationally? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 3:49pm
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Me? I would sooner see it as the Such and such Cup or Trophy.. A dozen or so folk in one pond, or even 50 over a weekend by the sea, then saying you're the national or even worse the 'European' Champion is embarrassing, I couldn't look someone straight in the eye and tell it.
A 'National' Series where folk have raced North South East and West I guess isn't so bad, but it's always seemed a bit BS to me. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 3:56pm
| No, not bollio, usually. In theory National Championships mean, "Come and have a go if you're ard' enuf". If three people think they are in with a chance of winning, then that's a race. What happens is that loads of people turn up for a good sail/beer/laugh, whatever. Next week is the Lightning Nationals where there will be about thirty boats. I am sure that those more up to date with Lightning form than me could predict the top four boats but not necessarily the order of finishing. The recent Byte Nationals contained only a disappointing 13 boats. We all knew who one and two would be...and so it was. If you, young Fuller, (or anyone else) fancied a crack at them...then bring it on! I know it is off topic but small turnouts do not necessarily mean lack of competition. |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 3:58pm
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I'll be going for the Carbon Kona National Championship this weekend at Hayling Island.... I hope there's a beer from a kite surf brand sponsor for the winner. ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 4:13pm
Only if he gets a go on it  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 4:18pm
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naturally... ------------- |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 4:25pm
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Would I suggest the "one race nationals" approach for a new class? No. Would I, from outside the class, suggest that I 14s are "wrong" to run such a thing? Definitely not. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 6:07pm
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Long way to go just for one race isn't it?
------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 6:09pm
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Not as far as th vendee though... ------------- |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 6:15pm
At least you get a few months worth of racing in the VG... ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 6:20pm
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Boring leadmine stuff... ;-) ------------- |
Posted By: Phantompete
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 6:45pm
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The Forteens have been racing at Castle Cove S.C. since Wednesday and completed seven races other the the P.O.W. Cup. There were four trophies, one for each day's pair of races and a further trophy for the overall series winner. Glen and Sam won the series and two of the daily cups in addition to the P.O.W. Cup.
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Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 7:44pm
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I personally think that there is a lot of romance in a single race nationals but only really where it is backed up by getting your name on the same trophy as Uffa Fox, having sailed under the same terms as him many decades previously. It is also very tough to stay lucky for half an hour in a modern 14, let alone for 2h plus, as I know from experience! Of course "proper" regatta sailors will rightly assign more value to a series result emphasizing consistency, and this is pretty much the case in the i14s, but the POW race is one of the things that makes the i14 so special and compelling. However the way things are going with the increasing dumbing down of week long nationals into long weekends (people being to poor and busy), the one race nationals could be the way things are going! |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 9:24pm
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Of course next week in San Francisco amongst other things Canoes will race for the New York Canoe Club Trophy, first competed for in 1886, which also has Uffa Fox' name on it, but is a seriously old trophy, not a 20thC Johnny-come-Lately like the 14s POW cup...
Rather newer is the Trophy on offer for winning the UK Canoe Championships, a mere youngster from 1899, and names on that include both Uffa Fox and Linton Hope. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 9:36pm
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The Canoes do have a lot of history, don't they? Of course, they are another branch of sailing where the pitfalls of too much specialization can be studied, but despite trials and tribulations, they are still with us today. Funny, isn't it? Uffa wasn't ever much of a racer, by what he says (unless he had boats to prove/sell) but he has his name on some of the most saught after trophies in the sport. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 02 Sep 14 at 9:58pm
I always reckoned his tongue was in his cheek when he said that... |