K6 handicap racing
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Topic: K6 handicap racing
Posted By: Corms
Subject: K6 handicap racing
Date Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 12:18pm
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Fairly interested in purchasing a K6 but wondering what it is like for mixed keelboat racing under PY or does anyone race it against dinghies in mixed fleets. ------------- Neil |
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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 1:53pm
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Corms, Have sailed a k6 for the last few years in py racing at our club, with some success. We race in the fast fleet py sub 1000. mainly fireballs and musto skiffs, 49ers and moths. We have good racing against 29ers and other k6's. Would say they perform best on py at the cusp of trapeze boats getting fully powered up so 8-11 knots. great fun when its blowing too. results from a recent all in handicap in about 10knots of wind. race http://blackwatersailingclub.org.uk/images/raceresults/Osea%20Challenge%20Cup%202014.htm selling mine at the moment, moved onto a new boat http://www.apolloduck.co.uk/display.phtml?aid=348811 ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 3:07pm
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Thanks for the info Oli. We have a small mixed fleet of keelboats (Sonata & Impalas) and also dinghies (mainly Albacores). I will be looking for an older K6 at the moment, to see how I get on with her. ------------- Neil |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 5:08pm
| K6 is pretty quick so you will leave Albacores, Sonatas etc a long way behind. |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 6:30pm
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How do you think it would it do on handicap against them? ------------- Neil |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 6:48pm
| Difficult to say, but you'll have a lonely race. |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 21 Jun 14 at 10:13am
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It would be a bit lonely but Looking for a yacht I can race against keelboats that I can launch and recover from a slipway that can get fairly shallow at low tide but has the fun factor. The K6 seems to fit the bill ------------- Neil |
Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 23 Jun 14 at 6:46pm
| Have you considered a Flying Fifteen? As strange as it seem they have less draft than some dinghies. |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 24 Jun 14 at 12:21pm
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Yes, I am considering a Flying Fifteen, as the symmetrical spinnaker would suit our courses better, just a bit concerned about the depth I would require for launching / recovering. Our slipway can get fairly shallow at low tide and it can be a fair walk to even launch our dinghies. I see from the videos they can be very easy to launch / recover if you have the correct facilities in place. Do you know the approx depth that would be required for the 15? ------------- Neil |
Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 24 Jun 14 at 4:15pm
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mr C an FF wouldn't suit you slip at the club at the lower tides. Other post is right though, it'd be a lonely day on the water with your fleet in a K6. ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 24 Jun 14 at 4:23pm
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------------- Neil |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 24 Jun 14 at 4:26pm
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Probably right Mr L, would rather a yacht that could be launched rather than sitting on the mooring as we had before. Pretty restricted with choice? ------------- Neil |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 24 Jun 14 at 4:58pm
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Is it the stability of the keel your after? What about a K2 sailing "dinghy"? Would have some closer on the water racing with the existing fleet ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 25 Jun 14 at 7:01pm
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Really after the opportunity to race against keelboats, but have a bit of fun doing it. ------------- Neil |
Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 25 Jun 14 at 7:10pm
Would have to be a vx one - it's brilliant, stable and fast - launches from a slip - but is in the the £20k's ... no problem to a man of your means - who needs a car anyway ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |
Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 26 Jun 14 at 1:47pm
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Are you looking at the K6 because it has a lifting keel (hence can launch in shallower water for low tide). Can it be sailed with the keel raised? Would you have the same issue? The only K6 I have seen is sailed at Bala where it is launched then tide up to put the sails on/drop the keel on the pontoon. Isn't there usually a davit to support a lifted keel in the boat which is removed once the keel is dropped. Dare I say the Stratos has a version with a drop keel doesn't it, possibly more like a dinghy but would call it racey in any sense.
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 26 Jun 14 at 1:56pm
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The K6 keel is lifted by a tackle that attaches to the mast. All very well until, as I once witnessed, the mast falls down, then you can't get ashore because you can't raise the keel. A collapsible, stowable, bipod gantry such as was used on Mark Giles' Orion is a better solution imho. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 26 Jun 14 at 9:19pm
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Speaking to a K6 owner today and I don't think the lowering / raising technique for the keel would suit our sailing area. A nice weighted centreboard like the Topper Breeze would be good. I thought about the Stratos Keel but didn't think it would be allowed to race in our keelboat races. Martin a VX or Viper 640 would be great but I don't think Mrs C would be happy. ------------- Neil |
Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 27 Jun 14 at 8:49am
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Viper 640's are nice boats from what I have seen. Always thought they more an American boat. If your going for something that size, you are getting into SB3, small J's territory and looking probably at mini yachts rather than keeled 'dinghies'. How do the other keel boats launch? or are they moored up. |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 27 Jun 14 at 11:28am
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They are moored, it is only a very small fleet and they are craned in at the start of the season and craned out at the end. I have had keelboats which are moored previously but I would like a bit more flexibility to be able to take in and out after a sail. ------------- Neil |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 27 Jun 14 at 11:59am
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The Topper Breeze could probably have benefited from the kind of makeover the Blaze had in order to iron out all the problems. I guess if you could find one, it would be pretty cheap by keelboat standards, and you could make the rigging changes it might need to bring it up to date. The RS Venture is offered as a keel version, too, but that is more like the Stratos in feel. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 27 Jun 14 at 12:54pm
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The problem with boats like the Stratos and Venture is, as Corms has said, that they would not be regarded as keelboats. I looked at racing an RS Elite in our local cruiser racing, but it doesn't meet Cat 5 in the ORC safety regulations as demanded by the SIs, in that the cockpit volume is too great. Oddly, the K1 meets the regs to the letter and has an NHC number, but I'm sure the race committee would freak out if you turned up on the cruiser start line with one. The larger K2 sounds like it would meet Corms needs but I suspect would fail to meet the SIs for a similar reason to the Elite; would be worth checking though. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 30 Jun 14 at 10:37pm
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Fleet of K-6s at my club. They race in the fast asymetric fleet being MUCH too quick to race the "cruisers". They used to be a good match for the 5o5s and Javelins until they decided they wanted to race windward leeward and decamped to sail with the RS700 and 800s instead. .... and therein is a bit of a problem with them, having a huge kite to make downwind fun, they tend to broach on tight kite reaches when its windy (F6 +). They can turtle if the keel is pulled up, so it's dropped as soon as they're in sufficient depth and before the main sail goes up. As a modern alternative to a flying 15 they're great .. but as a quick cruiser / keel boat, probably not. ------------- Javelin 558 Contender 2574 |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 01 Jul 14 at 10:20pm
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Does anyone know where the Highlight Dayboat designed by Keith Gallaghan is, I know it was for sale a while ago it looked similar to his newer Bluemotion (BM 550) design. Something like that may be a good compromise as I think it had a weighted centreboard. ------------- Neil |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 05 Sep 14 at 10:28pm
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Still looking for the right boat. The Bluemotion 550 looks a lovely boat but just to expensive for my budget, that why I would be interested to find out about the Highlight day boat. Still interested in suggestions. ------------- Neil |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 06 Sep 14 at 9:32am
| Tempest? There's one on AD for £950 |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 06 Sep 14 at 12:25pm
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I had an old Tempest for a while and it was a wonderful boat to sail.... Properly fast with tons of canvas - great boat, especially for the money. ------------- |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 06 Sep 14 at 4:50pm
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Wouldn't be able to launch and recover the Tempest from our slipway but it looks like it could be good fun. Really needs to be a lifting keel. ------------- Neil |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 06 Sep 14 at 6:28pm
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Tempest keel does lift (we did it for launch and recovery at Oxford each week), just not as smoothly and easily as the K6. ------------- |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 07 Sep 14 at 9:47pm
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Sorry didn't realise it has a lifting keel. ------------- Neil |
Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 6:11pm
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Lifing keel? It does??? A look at the row of (rarely used) tempests in our boat park suggests not; certainly they're all stored like flying 15s on high up launch trailers. Also too fast to race against cruisers surely ... beats the K-6s in light wind round the cans races and needs a trapeze when the wind picks up. ------------- Javelin 558 Contender 2574 |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 08 Oct 14 at 8:56pm
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Still looking, how would a SB20 perform in a mixed handicap PY fleet. ------------- Neil |
Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 08 Oct 14 at 9:09pm
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Comms - Give Craig a buzz at JWDM - he had one - but I don't think it was great on handicap, but he had a ball. M ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |
Posted By: Corms
Date Posted: 09 Oct 14 at 12:02pm
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Thanks, will give him a shout. ------------- Neil |