Dinghy development: What would you expect?

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What would you expect?

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Topic: What would you expect?

Posted By: Anonny
Subject: What would you expect?
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 8:40pm

7 month old boat used only a few times described with a set of used sails and a set of new sails. Would you expect the used sails to be no older than the boat and used on those few occasions only too?

Any arguments either way would be much appreciated.

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Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 8:47pm

I wouldn't be surprised if the used sails were older than the boat, having been bought for practising to preserve the new sails bought with the boat.

Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 8:50pm

Yup, I'd not be surprised on a boat that age if the unused sails were the ones that came with it, and the person was either learning with an old set or simply had picked them up somewhere as spares.

I guess it is the sort of thing you need to check on when buying from a private sale. "Used" means different things to different people.

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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686

Posted By: Alistair426
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 9:29pm

I agree with Gareth and Rupert. New boat with a set of secondhand club/training sails and new sails kept for Opens/Nationals is far from unusual. Caveat emptor, I'm afraid.

Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 9:45pm

I bought my boat in bits. I had the sail first then a year later I could afford the rest of it. Therefore mine would have been older if I had sold it. So long as it has the new ones as well Nevermind, that's a nice bonus, not something to worry about, you can use them on the windy club days to keep the new ones fresh

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Everything I say is my opinion, honest

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 10:33pm

I'd expect the rags to be older than the boat too. Think its unanimous.

Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 11:03pm

Another one agreeing with the above here too

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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 11:47pm

No I'd expect all of the sails to be the same age as the hull or newer.

Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 03 Apr 14 at 7:05am

If all of the sails were older then question it, but as one set were new then it should be obvious that the previous owner either had them from an earlier boat or bought some second hand ones to preserve the set that came with the new boat. I really don't see what the issue is here

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Everything I say is my opinion, honest

Posted By: mongrel
Date Posted: 03 Apr 14 at 7:47am

It's not obvious they're older. Either way you're making an assumption which can lead to disappointment, much better ask and know for sure.

Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 03 Apr 14 at 8:19am

They'll be the "best" sails off his last boat.

I do this, theres no point wrecking a set of new sails over the winter.

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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 03 Apr 14 at 9:16am

does it matter if they are older? Surely condition is more important that age. I have seen some very tired nearly new sails and some good condition very old sails.

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Musto Skiff and Solo sailor

Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 03 Apr 14 at 9:30am

Exactly, what matters is the seller is giving a fair description of the sails. It really doesn't look like they are out to deceive.

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the same, but different...

Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 03 Apr 14 at 10:24am

Asking "how old are the used sails" when responding to the ad could be a good plan.

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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686

Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 03 Apr 14 at 1:24pm

When I traded up my Laser a year ago I kept the best sails for myself and sold the old boat with a couple of usable sails.

This means i am currently racing with my 'old' sail number on a much newer hull.

It is quite common. We also have a number of Fireballs that have sails that do not match the boat where second hand sails have been purchased.

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Paul
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D-Zero GBR 74