Look who's back, shady's back...
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Topic: Look who's back, shady's back...
Posted By: yellowwelly
Subject: Look who's back, shady's back...
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 10:30am
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Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 12:16pm
| I see it publishes his 2013 calender. I will look forward to following him through that. |
Posted By: mongrel
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 4:41pm
| You can join his "medal club" for £500. |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 4:48pm
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"Chris is well-known in the sailing world." Has anyone ever heard of him before? ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 4:57pm
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56 people like him on Facebook - apparently. (that or the budget for the click farm was a bit low...) ------------- |
Posted By: Kev M
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 5:02pm
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As Mark and Lard once said.
whooooooooooooooooooooooooo?! ------------- Successfully confusing ambition with ability since 1980. |
Posted By: ASok
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 5:05pm
| Reminds me a bit of Alan Partridge with the car plugs |
Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 5:33pm
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I would love to understand the psychology of someone who can do this. There must be some special reality filter on his brain. Is this what happens with the young tech savvy generation? Reality and virtual worlds are all a bit of blur....??? |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 5:56pm
| To be honest I think he's a very clever bloke. If you had the skills and determination to convince multiple big bucks sponsors to fund you to follow around the Laser fleet at all the world events then you'd be pretty happy with life and somehow this guy has managed it. I'd say the Muppets in all of this are the company representatives who've handed over cash to a no-hoper. |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 5:59pm
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If they really have handed over any cash.... that's a lot of logos on that page, easily right clicked, sdave image as from their owners websites. Having been involved with sponsorship in the past (pre-recession), that's a lot of deals he's converted.... so very well done if it's genuine. His background appears to be with Ogilvys, so who knows, perhaps his Linked In profile would be more telling about his networks and connections.... ------------- |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 6:12pm
| His LinkedIn profile is pretty sparse. As you say Ogilvy seems to be his main backer and employer. |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 6:25pm
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This guy seems to be living some complete fantasy ... it says he narrowly missed out on competing at Weymouth 2012 ... Olympian
advises at Llanrwst business conference
http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2013/01/24/" rel="nofollow - by
Samantha Castle, http://beta.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/" rel="nofollow - AN OLYMPIC level sailor will be helping
business sail at the third Free2Network Business Conference on Friday, February
1 in Llanrwst. Laser class competitor Chris Russell
will be sharing his story with over 200 businesses from across the region.
Chris narrowly missed out on competing
at London 2012 but will share his journey to Rio 2016.
Chris will discuss his Olympic campaign
experiences, how he and his team operate, and how there are lessons and skills
which are transferable between the top sport and the business world. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 6:53pm
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The lessons and skills are certainly transferable - exaggeration, bullsh*t and downright lies...
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 7:02pm
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I wonder what made James check this out - oh yeah, it's April Fool's day - only this one seems to run all year around. ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 7:21pm
| The only thing happening in Llanrwst is farming, that would of been interesting . Lol |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 7:35pm
I saw it a few weeks ago but thought the comedy value had more impact posting it today. I say comedy value, but tbh, it's verging on fraud isn't it? ------------- |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 7:40pm
It certain;y looks like obtaining goods and services under false pretences ... Fraud is a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain (adjectival form fraudulent; to defraud is the verb). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow - [1] As a legal construct, fraud is both a civil wrong (i.e., a fraud victim may sue the fraud perpetrator to avoid the fraud and/or recover monetary compensation) and a criminal wrong (i.e., a fraud perpetrator may be prosecuted and imprisoned by governmental authorities). Defrauding people or organizations of money or valuables is the usual purpose of fraud, but it sometimes instead involves obtaining benefits without actually depriving anyone of money or valuables, such as obtaining a drivers license by way of false statements made in an application for the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud#cite_note-2" rel="nofollow - [2] Has this guy got any results to back up these claims? I'm not even clear if he is after the GBR or IRL slot ... The only "result" I could find with a quick google was a 104th (no show) sailing as GBR http://mocr.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/2010-RMOCR-Laser.pdf 124th here (no show I guess) entered as IRL http://sailforgold.co.uk/results_report.asp?event=17649&usr=&str=Tom%20Burton%5ETom%20Burton%3EISAF%20World%20Cup%20Trofeo%20SAR%20Princesa%20Sofia%20MAPFRE%202011 See http://sailforgold.co.uk/sailor_results.asp?sailor=Chris%20Russell Does not look like a medal hopeful ... |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 7:46pm
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I guess that as he was taking part in the events where people get selected for the Olympics, and sailing an Olympic class, he was closer to going than I was, but I'm not sure "narrowly" comes into it. Or were Ireland really short of male sailors?
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 7:56pm
and here is the moral dilemma - if I see someone having their pocket picked, I'd feel that I ought to intervene. So what's the difference here? The lesson tho, seems to me, if you are going to perpetrate a con, go large. The weasel defence is perhaps that people are helping him with his 'journey' and they will gain profile and publicity as a consequence. Failing to get to compete for a medal is probably neither here nor there - after all how many of the great unwashed could today name any one of our four 2012 470 medalists? I'd argue that, to those in the know at least, they have actually marked themselves out as, err, marks, which is not exactly good publicity is it? BTW, anyone want to buy Tower Bridge from me? Don't tell anyone, but Boris asked me to flog it for him because it's in the way of the flight path to his new airport... ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 7:56pm
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109th here sailing as GBR ... http://sailforgold.co.uk/results_report.asp?event=6287&usr=&str=Chris%20Russell^Chris%20Russell%3EHolland%20Regatta |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 8:00pm
Well, if this commentator was the IRL selection panel, he could have been in with a shout (or perhaps this commentator is CR, that would explain a lot) [TUBE]3gPjMvTmE2g[/TUBE] ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 9:20pm
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What I don't get is he is a year younger than me! He looks about 40! ------------- |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 10:43pm
That is strange, everything else is just is so impeccably straight down the line. ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 10:51pm
Ha ha, I just couldn't get over it! ------------- |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 10:03am
I have to say I feel the same way ... are these businesses being taken for a ride or are they extracting some Olympic hopeful glow on the cheap by sponsoring a no-hoper? Had this guy ever had a reasonable placing in a decent regatta?
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 10:37am
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I'm not sure what to think about this, on the one hand it's the reality TV approach coupled to a naive belief that hard work and training alone should be enough for anyone dedicated enough to succeed, or and I don't know the answer to this, but has Ireland got a male Laser Olympic rep? I know they don't have a Windsurfer because my nephew who is of Irish decent (Grandfather) could qualify but the RYA won't release him. So it could be with that goal in mind, in which case he could get to go to the Olympics and this is a way of financing all the training that would be necessary for him to have anything other than an Eddie the Eagle prayer.
I think some of you are showing a little of the green eyed monster having too much of a go at him, not that I've followed this he's obviously made some silly assertions prior to all this, but what was that Europa Regatta that he won? He can't be totally useless can he? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Telltale
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 10:43am
It is recognised that some of the most successful businessmen have a psychopathic element to their personality that might be needed to enable "mass redundancies" to be effected as cost saving practices when it is clear that those actions devastate communities. Is it fraud?.. I am not sure, businesses are approached all the time for sponsorship or business to business input. It is up to them to carry out "due diligence" to protect their shareholders or owners from unwise investments. What is clear is he is not approaching anyone in the sailing industry and you have to be pretty special to get a financial contribution from an unrelated industry. Anyone who is really worried can always forward a link to this thread to ill-informed parties.
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 10:44am
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Some results here ... Sail for Gold Silver Fleet 50th from 53 ... Really it is good to have vision and dreams and to see people going after those dreams but this looks like Fantasy to me ...
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 12:27pm
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James Espey is the number one Irish laser sailor.
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 12:38pm
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The only conclusion I can draw from this is that it's some kind of social media experiment or case study project for Ogily.... to secure that many genuine sponsors / patrons / £500 club members whatever, would imnsho, be a hell of a feat for a professional athlete who'd pick sailing for a discipline - even for someone with RYA backing and a results card to show for themselves. ------------- |
Posted By: Punky
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 12:50pm
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You only need to buy something from his wishlist to become a member of the medal club. We could club together to buy a nutrition pack and get Y&Y.com as part of the team!
I can't tell whether he is deluded or fraudulent. Does he believe what he writes?
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Posted By: GYbin'Jones
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 1:00pm
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Currently lying 121st in Palma.
http://www.trofeoprincesasofia.org/en/default/laregata/vertodoslosresultados/id/1/idsc2r/12 Only one other Irish laser is James Espey in 24th. Are the 23 behind him equally deluded? |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 1:16pm
I guess that would depend on their campaign website and the level of grandiose claims upon it. ------------- |
Posted By: Punky
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 1:42pm
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It would be quite a fun thing to tag along on the Laser circuit and give it your best shot competing against the great and the good of the game. A good way of motivating oneself to get fit, push yourself to your limits, find out exactly how competent you are and not die wondering. Giving it your best shot and getting the most out your potential is a great and worthy thing to do. So good on him for that.
But he's not got a chance of qualifying for the games based on either his current form or his demonstrated rate of progress. If his sponsors haven't done their due diligence, well that's their problem. Perhaps they have and they don't care how good he is, their sponsorship is a tax write-off, may not be for very much anyway and besides, he gets them exposure.
But he does appear to exaggerate his chances and skill level somewhat.
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Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 2:04pm
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Results from Andalusian Olmpic week....http://www.fav.es/images/content/ULTIMO%20DIA%20LASER%20STD.pdf ------------- |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 2:07pm
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is it bad to read them from the bottom up as if looking for my own?
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Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 2:18pm
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He did win this event!!!! http://origin.sailing.org/regattainfo.php?view=regatta&view=eventoa&rgtaid=16347&evntid=31319#results Laser Europa cup in Switzerland! ------------- |
Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 2:20pm
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ISAF Ranking and results: http://origin.sailing.org/biog.php?memberid=300305&isafid=IRLCR9 ------------- |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 2:43pm
well in fairness to the chap, he's certainly marched up the rankings since 2011... with that progress track maintained maybe we're being a little harsh?  ------------- |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 2:56pm
Ranked 301 and struggling to make the top 100 in a decent event ... Good for him if he can get sponsors to pony up with results like that ... he can sure sell better than he can sail.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 3:07pm
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He needs a tactical coach, then so do lots of way better sailors than he... ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 3:48pm
Maybe you could take him on and teach him the wonders of the lee bow effect ... he'd be kicking Goodison's ar5e in no time ...
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 4:28pm
I hope not, the poor fellas got a dicky back.... kicking him the posterior seems a little unsporting doesn't it? ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 4:32pm
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Depends a)How bright he is and b) What his star sign is as to wether I could help him or not, but I bet I could move him at least half way up the fleet with a few tactical suggestions coupled to the odd grubby trick and if he doesn't already understand the lee bow effect then he really has no place in a big fleet has he? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Alistair426
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 6:51pm
Aren't we missing something? If he's the second best IRL Laser sailor, then he does stand a fighting chance of going to Rio...the best guy might get sick, retire, believe the hype or something...or one of the members of the Medal Gang might be a contract killer. 
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 03 Apr 14 at 9:30am
See http://www.trofeoprincesasofia.org/en/default/laregata/vertodoslosresultados/id/1/idsc2r/29 Our hero is currently in 121st ... James ESPEY is 24th ... So he is 2nd best IRL at that event ... Espey need to watch his back ... |
Posted By: Sheetpuller
Date Posted: 09 Apr 14 at 11:25am
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So what if he's never won anything? In a previous sporting existence I never actually won either, but I was never worse than second.
Mind you, I gave up boxing a long time ago... ------------- I'm not arguing. I'm explaining why I'm right. Merlin Rocket 3545 - 'Smooth Operator' Sprint 15 1342 - 'Still Crazy' |
Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 09 Apr 14 at 11:48am
| Did someone say that our chum was the number two Irish Laser sailor? The skill of sailing is transferable from class to class so I am not sure those results prove much. |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 09 Apr 14 at 1:02pm
No I said he was the second highest placed IRL sailor at that event ... I suspect there ar other talented sailors not present at that event ...
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Posted By: johnreekie1980
Date Posted: 11 Apr 14 at 11:20am
| The thing that strikes me the most about the website is the large team supposedly in place to help him achieve his aims of getting to Rio. Robert Scheidt has come back with probably less of a support staff. The world has got decidedly weird if with natural talent you could not do better than he is doing with no coach and travelling to the events yourself with the boat on you back. Team GBR probably have a similar support structure over an entire class of sailors. |
Posted By: Sheetpuller
Date Posted: 11 Apr 14 at 1:03pm
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I suspect there's a certain Walter Mittyish aspect to that website...
------------- I'm not arguing. I'm explaining why I'm right. Merlin Rocket 3545 - 'Smooth Operator' Sprint 15 1342 - 'Still Crazy' |
Posted By: Alistair426
Date Posted: 13 Apr 14 at 5:41pm
He's the Hull Preparation Consultant .
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