Extreme Perching 2014
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Topic: Extreme Perching 2014
Posted By: yellowwelly
Subject: Extreme Perching 2014
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 11:36am
Here is a photo of Olympic Gold Medalist Mr Goodison using a hiking bench.  A cruel, medieval device for torturing children... don't believe me? Check out this other google find from the 'Proper Course' blog.... lunacy, utter lunacy... someone give that kid to Esther Rantzen sharpish...  So to counter this evil 'hiking culture' that has pervaded an otherwise gentlemanly pursuit of sailboat racing, please post some of your 'extreme perching' photos to prove that looking good and lazy sailing are not mutually exclusive. Extra points will be awarded for 'maximus glute overhang' rather than pert bottoms in rooster hikers on the end of perfectly-extended straight leg hiking poses. If you want that, go check out the Zhik catalogue for honed athletes that couldn't perch for a pilchard. Anyone appearing to actually hike properly, or rather more likely, grimace, sex face, vinegar stroke or bust a testicle from clearly attempting to hike properly will be forced to run a lap of the Grafham Water car park... in their pants. A-Game perchers are the International Canoe fleet- they even have a perching plank. For an example of the best extreme perching on a normal monohull I could find to start this thread, see these lads... they've got it dialled-down perfectly-  |
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 11:40am
No no no Mr Rooster.... Yep, this dude's got it... and a better garb too:  ------------- |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 11:50am
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perching paradise... courtesy of the Daily Mail  ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 12:42pm
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That looks like... It can't be is it? The supreme sailing system? Are they EPS racks? I had cause to actually dangle posterior recently, it's a damn nuisance, but when you find your downhill speed and skills keep bringing you into the lead, you get all enthusiastic about holding on to it and do all manner of perverse things going back up wind, tacking on shifts and everything.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 1:22pm
AKA the toilet seat......I hear Twyfords and Armitage Shanks are looking to put them back in to production  ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 1:39pm
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If he was on water in that shot, his bum would be 6" under... I'll have to dig out pictures of my perching "technique". ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 1:41pm
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To be fair, rupertson loves hiking hard, however much I tell him that perching is better. It might have something to do with seeing how cool his father looks when sailing, and realizing he can never compete... ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 2:13pm
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perching with the kite up..... a bit like Graeme back in his RS100 then.  ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 2:38pm
The Perchmeister.. note the complete inward reverse lean to make absolutely certain at no point does any part of the body hang over the side of the craft... ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 3:08pm
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it's beautiful, a true perfection perch. ------------- |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 3:23pm
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Chivalry is not dead. A gentlemen who perches will dismiss agility and all that pseudo advanced boat handling mantra in the text books. We respect that we always goes down with the ship....   ------------- |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 4:01pm
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Just like an RS300......does that mean the Solo is difficult to sail too?....... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 4:07pm
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I don't think the RS300 is that difficult to sail tbh, certainly not at a puddle in sub-windsurfing conditions.... I very, very nearly bought another one, but decided to wait for the Aero when I heard the rumour it was getting sent to the old people's home. ------------- |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 4:17pm
Were Leo and Kate on the bow when you did that? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 4:20pm
Now, I could have hiked it flat. I could have insisted the yellow capped fool at the back of the boat joined me in perching. But, hell, the troughs were bigger than they appear in the picture, the boat was rolling so much three seconds later the mast would have been pointing back past vertical anyway. Perch. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 4:24pm
ah, I see one has wisely invested in those bl**dy expensive "pensioners dinghy perching pantalons" in order to keep ones' family jewels warmer when doused in the briny
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 4:29pm
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absolutely... as you can see in the upper photo, the padding in perfectly aligned for navigating one's leg over the centreboard casing when adopting the micro-perch riding style. ------------- |
Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 5:07pm
Lovely, and I saw a K-1 do just that yesterday, even with the lump of lead underneath, and they don't pop back up either. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 5:24pm
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http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/class/Foxer We need a fleet of these... ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Er-Indoors
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 5:31pm
Winging it is on her fancy i(can't do anything online)Pad so here's one of her perching and looking cool at the same time. I myself am the Perchmeister but no pics..... ------------- Lightning 418 "Octarine" |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 5:35pm
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Surely the whole point of having aD One is to perfect the fine art of perching? ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 5:37pm
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Why else have a bench down each side?
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 6:07pm
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Indeed Nessa- that's a fine perch, oooh err. ------------- |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 6:23pm
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I am quite worried that with losing weight I may have to start actual hiking on the B14. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 6:49pm
Ahem, I er think the feminine of meister is meisterin so Perchmeisterin, to be technically accurate.. And that person in the photograph looks far too likely to accentuate that tendency she clearly has to lean backwards, I shouldn't pay too much heed to anything she says, you might end up losing that crown and doing things 'properly'. Just look at that determination, even if you were approaching would you even dare call starboard? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 7:38pm
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Can-Can 
Can't 
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 24 Mar 14 at 8:05pm
When it comes to marketing own goals then Equipped with Privy Seat has to right up there.
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 25 Mar 14 at 9:15am
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I would say Expertly Positioned Shi*box, but that would unbecoming of thread around gentlemanliness, rather let us give credit it where it's due and revise it as the Extreme Perching Sailboat. ------------- |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 25 Mar 14 at 2:28pm
That is interesting. What happened? That pic of the Ent shows exactly why they are so easy to right; if only they had a double floor instead of the bags or whatever. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 25 Mar 14 at 4:41pm
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love this photo of a D-One sailor form the LTSC write up.... A most excellent perch-based capsize recovery technique.  Extend any part of your body over the end of the daggerboard? No chance... that's just too uncouth! ------------- |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 25 Mar 14 at 4:43pm
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That pic of the Ent shows exactly why they are so easy to right; if only they had a double floor instead of the bags or whatever.
Yes, but if they had enough double floor to be self draining they would probably ride much higher and you would be back to doing gymnastics to get onto the board when the boat's on its side after a capsize. ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: Er-Indoors
Date Posted: 25 Mar 14 at 5:05pm
I stand (or sit) corrected. Perchmeisterin technique galore today at WOW. Alas still no pics. I calculate that when the new Lightning arrives with the new scalloped sides, I might be forced to sit nearer the watery edge though, or face sliding into the cockpit..... ------------- Lightning 418 "Octarine" |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 25 Mar 14 at 5:38pm
Not sure about that. Most of depth under the double floor would be close to the centre-line, so the buoyancy would not kick in until the centreboard was close to the water. Side-tanks are the killers, but cheap to incorporate with the decks, hence we see so many. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 25 Mar 14 at 10:07pm
  
The ultimate perching device. Cant think why they got rid of them |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 25 Mar 14 at 10:09pm
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 26 Mar 14 at 1:13am
Because: a) people would regularly fall off them - not fast b) they severely limited the fore-aft movement of crew weight, and c) they were much heavier than a trapeze All of which amounted to something that was more important than providing a bit of extra grunt to light crews (sail area was smaller in those days - all-girl crews were not unknown). But maybe the Hornet class should have stuck with the spec (smaller main, jib - not genoa - and spinnaker) that allowed lightweights to compete on equal terms instead of upping the ante to compete with the Fireball; they might have a bigger niche today in that case? I personally liked the old tall, narrow reaching kite, and although the genoa looked better than the original jib, a short-footed deck sweeper would have been even better, imho. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 26 Mar 14 at 7:13am
| Yes you are right on all those counts.My tongue was firmly in my cheek when the pics were posted. |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 26 Mar 14 at 8:54am
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Roger,is the red boat Sandy perching at Shearwater? He deserves a special prize if it is! ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 26 Mar 14 at 9:07am
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Does look that way. The 90 degree windshift that almost certainly occurred 3 seconds later must have been interesting!
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 26 Mar 14 at 9:18am
Hmm sounds like an idea for an aftermarket accessory, the EPP, Extreme Perch Plank, hi tech carbon fibre, extra sliding weights, clip over the side secure to the footstraps, making lightweights more competitive, what could possibly go wrong? Just think of it, the Phantom EPP.. or maybe even the 300EPP that would be an interesting sail  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 26 Mar 14 at 9:44am
Thanks for giving me an opportunity for some nostalgic reasoning! ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 26 Mar 14 at 9:46am
Yep thats Sandy, The boat is the one Jack Holt built for the only Round the Island dinghy Race in 1953.
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Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 26 Mar 14 at 2:42pm
Your welcome. Come and have a nostalgic sail sometime
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 27 Mar 14 at 7:36pm
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found an old video of mine on Vimeo- taken back when RS100s were still cool and everyone perched whilst sailing them, rather than hiking them like it meant something.... http://vimeo.com/68817436" rel="nofollow - http://vimeo.com/68817436
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 27 Mar 14 at 7:45pm
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I tried something similar today in a Supernova, working on the principle that perching is the way to go while I wait for my knee to be done. ------------- the same, but different... |