Seascape 18
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Topic: Seascape 18
Posted By: ifoxwell
Subject: Seascape 18
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 11:08am
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Any one on here sailed one, or know much about them.
They look to be a good fun little boat but Id be interested in what people think. Cheers Ian ------------- RS300 |
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Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 12:17pm
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Yeah, great fun little boat. I wouldn't buy one myself but I have sailed them a lot. We took the boat out to GPEN where there is a bigger fleet and a decent standard. Great event, very good value and great fun. If you are interested you should speak to Peter Wanstall who distributes them in the UK or I can try and get you a sail myself.  Another great shot by Tom Gruitt!
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Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 12:26pm
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Hi
Yup i'm interested and yes if you can sort me out a sail I would be very interested. Why wouldn't you get one yourself, what are the downsides? Ian ------------- RS300 |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 12:47pm
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Well I don't have ~20k to spend on a daysailer with no real accommodation. I have spend some time snoozing aboard the seascape and you could stay overnight but there is no toilet and galley facility. http://www.seascape18.com/dealers.htm Best bet is to email Peter under the UK contact. If you hear nothing back send me a PM and I will put you in touch with someone else.
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Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 12:50pm
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That's fair enough, I have emailed him using that address, i'll take you up on your offer if I hear nothing. So any idea how many there are in the UK and were they are based. Its a new class to me but looks like a nice cross over class between a dinghy and a cruiser! Ian ------------- RS300 |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 2:40pm
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I would guess at around 15 or 20 in the UK although Peter doesn't push it as hard as he perhaps should. There is a fleet of a few boats in Plymouth, others scattered around the Solent and on driveways all over the country I would imagine. The best fleets are in europe but it is easy enough to travel to some of these events. I would compare it to the D-one in many ways, the fleets are compact but with good racing and plenty of travelling to be done if you like it.
The boat has got this reputation of being a bit of a dog but actually it sails very nicely. The people who sl*g it off have never sailed one. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 3:54pm
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It does look nice. Speed wise, how would it compare to an 18 foot dinghy? National 18, maybe. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 4:00pm
| It sails on a PY of 1015, I don't know whether these differ between yacht and dinghy classes though? Any ideas? In a blow the boat really takes off, we have hit 18 knots or so on the gps and once all three crew are hiking she goes upwind the same speed as most boats twice her size. In fact until it's very lumpy she holds her own against most cruiser racers up to around 36 feet in all winds. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 4:15pm
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In theory it is the same scale, but I'm guessing that there is limited crossover to compare and contrast. Seems pretty quick for an 18 foot keelboat by your description. Be interesting to race her against some of the bigger dinghies, just to see what happens. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 4:20pm
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ive got a k6 for sale if you're interested? no accommodation but a very competitive open fleet, and alot quicker than the seascape based on a py of 1015
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Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 4:37pm
| I don't think you understand do you? It's not all about speed, having a boat that the kids can jump around down below in and that you can ramp launch and recover in 20 mins flat is more important for some people. The K6 is alright, but if I wanted to go faster for 20 grand I would buy an Open 7.50. |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 4:41pm
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That is exactly it. Something that my 5 year old will feel safe on and enjoy and yet still fun for me and my wife Ian ------------- RS300 |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 5:18pm
And i didnt suggest it was, and if it took more than 5 mins to launch or recover the k6 i would never have got one. As for taking the kids out there is plenty of space to do that. If i had full and permanent crew i would also have considered an open 7.5, just offering an alternative. 
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 10:16pm
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Agree it isn't about speed, but it is nice to know where something fits in the great scheme of things.
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Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 19 Dec 13 at 11:14pm
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I considered the same boats (Seascape and K6) and ended up getting both a used Jeanneau Sun 2000 and a used Albacore for less money than either. Decided that at that small size, a cruiser-racer doesn't really work. I had a Hunter 707 many years ago and being that little bit bigger made it more suitable for dual role. The Elan 210 also looks like it would work very well, but quite pricey. |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 20 Dec 13 at 12:26am
| We had a couple of guys looking at the seascape a year ago to replace their Sun 2500 as they wanted something a bit racier. Interestingly the main interested party eventually bought an Impala having been part of the winning crew in the 2012 seascape 18 nationals. His other choices were the J70 and the B21 which he concluded were too expensive, and the seascape just a bit too impractical. The Impala gives good racing and is a very practical boat. |
Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 20 Dec 13 at 10:23am
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I do think modern boatbuilders are missing this gap of boats that you can race, but can also use for other purposes. The seascape are clearly suggesting it in their marketing, but the reality is that the boat is just too small to serve the weekender purpose in the UK (different story in the med, where you can guarantee being outside almost the entire time.. I believe that Beneteau have sold thousands of the 210,21.7,20s so clearly the market is there. |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 20 Dec 13 at 12:38pm
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I think your right and I have been considering the small boats from Beneteau and Jeanneau however they are coming at the sector from the view of a small cruiser. Seascape seem to be starting from the performance/sailing experience stand point which also means that they end up with something that weighs less than half as much and as such I could tow it behind our car. Not a reason to buy one but another factor to add to the mix. Ian ------------- RS300 |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 20 Dec 13 at 2:24pm
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The competition http://www.mach650.com/ - Slightly smaller but less extreme cousin to the Open 7.50 http://www.elliott-marine.com/e6m.html http://vxone.org/na/ The great thing about the seascape being that you get 90% the performance in a boat you could happily sail single handed and actually enjoy. It's a good boat and you do seem to fit the niche.
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