Better hiking?
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Topic: Better hiking?
Posted By: getafix
Subject: Better hiking?
Date Posted: 18 Nov 13 at 9:52pm
| Is there a way to 'measure' how well (or not) you have you straps set up for optimal posture and leverage when hiking... Without having a camera at the back of the boat or someone following in another boat with a camera? I think I hike ok and I don't get sore after sailing but am I kidding myself? |
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Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 18 Nov 13 at 11:18pm
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Interesting question. Maybe if you tried to replicate your position on a hiking bench it might be possible to take some measurements.
On a long beat I find I move my position slightly (without changing the strap set-up) to change pressure points on muscles and joints so I think there would be too many variables to measure. But that's probably down to lacking fitness... |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 19 Nov 13 at 10:41am
As my coach used to tell me... "If it hurts you aren't fit enough, if it doesn't hurt you haven't hiked hard enough" If you aren't hurting put some effort in!
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Posted By: Dark Harris
Date Posted: 19 Nov 13 at 4:50pm
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If it hurts its time to tack laser coach's eh? know nothing about sailing. ------------- When they say you are too old you probably are, but do it anyway. |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 10:11am
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You could also set up onshore, get some pics taken or get someone good to have a look at you. I was out watching a beginner yesterday. So many of his issues could easily be fixed by getting his posture and ergonomics right. Never underestimate the value of the land drill.
------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 10:21am
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Hiking should be banned, if any part of the buttocks overhangs the gunwale it should mean instant disqualification, if not for style and dignity reasons, all that toilet seat straining, most unedifying, not at all cool.
Leaning back a bit shouldn't be frowned upon, but anything else, nope, sorry not the sort of thing a Gentleman should contemplate in public. And as to disgusting almost pornographic displays as have often been witnessed on these boards I'm only pleased that both Google and M**rosoft are now combining in their efforts to prevent search engine access.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 10:39am
Good Lord, errr...thingy, for once I find myself agreeing with you. In my case I adopt an 'elegant lean' at most. 'Why hike when you can spill'.
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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 12:20pm
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You boys should club together and buy a keel boat ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 12:24pm
I'm not sitting next to him, he's got plastic windows.
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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 12:50pm
| I have seen something that might work, used in cycling to measure the angle bend of the knee. I know what's comfortable and what's not and a process of trial and error or two-boat tuning has led to decent results in the past.... I'm just wondering if anyone out in the world of 'sports science' has ever looked at this, obviously it has been done for cycling |
Posted By: Dark Harris
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 1:39pm
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What's wrong with plastic windows? ------------- When they say you are too old you probably are, but do it anyway. |
Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 2:27pm
| Old wooden windows in old properties have drafts, history and character, what this country needs. Plastic windows are new and convenient. Wars were won with wooden windows and coal. |
Posted By: Dark Harris
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 2:53pm
Now, you see, that's where this topic started,the guy who is struggling with his hiking 'cause he has got old wooden windows drafty conditions, chill in the old nether regions muscles ache hence can't hike. Simples.  ------------- When they say you are too old you probably are, but do it anyway. |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 2:56pm
Great idea, then you can hike the other way round!
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Posted By: Dark Harris
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 3:02pm
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I'd love to know where they got their buoyancy aids from. I could do with a new one!!! ------------- When they say you are too old you probably are, but do it anyway. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 3:19pm
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That picture is really odd, and not just because of the hiking. It is like someone has photoshopped 1970's sailors onto a 21st century boat.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 5:07pm
But in iGRF rules their buttocks are not over the edge and they are not really engaging core....just hanging their like wet washing ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 5:50pm
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The tool for measuring joint angles is a goniometer. One Dr Jacques Rogge studied muscle strain while hiking back in the depths of time, I don't have the book with it in to hand at the moment though. ------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 6:26pm
I think you mean 20th century... (It came out in 1993!) ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 8:42pm
There is so much wrong with this sport, I'm constantly surprised I put up with it and the collateral damage by association it does to my image..  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 9:14pm
can we have a poll on whether it does more damage to you or the other way around ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 9:55pm
Not necessary given nobody in my world cares what any of you think anyway.  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 20 Nov 13 at 11:26pm
| I wish I had my own World. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 8:45am
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Believe me iiiiiitick, you do...
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 9:24am
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There has been a few sports sciencey studies on hiking over the years, often concluding it's a bad idea. I'm not sure if Jon Emmett or Steve Cockerill are still following this board, however they seem to have also done some proper science homework on the subject too. Jon led the NP hiker development, and I think we all know Steve's involvement in producing excellent kit (albeit with a naff enough logo to prevent a few of us buying it) I was interested in Dan Holman's comment on that D1 photo Nessa posted, I do often wonder if uncorrected bad technique is the reason why my knees are utterly shot now.  really, it just can't be good for you.... check this poor fella out, he's about to split his sack.  |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 9:58am
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There right there..
Clearly illustrated.. perfectly encapsulated in two disgusting images... .... everything that's wrong with the sport.
If they were drugs it would be class A. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 10:03am
someone put him on the naughty step would you... |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 10:04am
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Posted By: Dark Harris
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 11:56am
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I take it you mean the boats in the pics? Is that a hiking bench made specifically for the Optimist ?!!
You have to be kidding 'What do you fancy for Christmas son?' 'oh A hiking bench please dad'
------------- When they say you are too old you probably are, but do it anyway. |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 12:02pm
hahaha... Mr Harris, you're on of those old boys who thinks teaching kids sail boat racing should be about fun and having a laugh, not elite athleticism and squad systems aren't you.... how quaint.
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Posted By: Dark Harris
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 12:11pm
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I have this idea that if they got a box that was oppie shaped, screwed a toe strap into the bottom of it, stick a mast and a sail in the front, pop it on a lake on a windy day, hey presto same job, more fun. Kids always prefer playing with the boxes anyway. ------------- When they say you are too old you probably are, but do it anyway. |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 12:19pm
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[QUOTE=iGRF] There right there..
Clearly illustrated.. perfectly encapsulated in two disgusting images... .... everything that's wrong with the sport.
QUOTE] Shock horror....a "sport" is physically demanding. Take up a pastime if you don't like it  ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 12:21pm
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Is the idea of the Oppie hiking bench to wreck their knees before they ever start Laser sailing?
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 12:26pm
maybe there's less money in the RYA coffers now... so it's best filter off the weak earlier on than they used to.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 12:35pm
What pray is that exactly, other than a product crying out for a consumer liability claim, it looks like something Medieval, right out of the Inquisition, people pay money for that? And we call it sport? Somebody please, tell me they don't use it on kids, are childline aware? I bet the RYA lawyers don't let it contain an 'RYA approved' label. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 12:43pm
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Given that the school my children go to make them run through a field knee deep in mud twice a week (and one of my offspring actually enjoys it, the other not so much...) officially torturing children is still very much the done thing, so why not put them on the rack, too? I've not looked - does it retail for enough to buy a small country with the money? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 12:48pm
I'd better not look, I'd be tempted to buy one and cover it in lilac hammerite. |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 1:56pm
| I built my own hiking bench when I was in oppies! Better to get fit then get hurt when you get tired out on the race course! |
Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 2:37pm
Did the Trojans not put their newborns on the roof for their first night of life? No point in having weak babies in a warrior nation.
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 2:42pm
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I think it was the Spartans, they also had the Agoge... which is a bit like RYA regional squad training in Lasers these days, except at least girls are allowed in- if they're butch enough.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 2:51pm
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I've just noticed and it's clicked, it says 'Opti'parts. so f**k me it genuinely is for kids and you really are getting kids to use things like that?
Seriously you couldn't write it never mind make it up, has no-one ever sued anyone? Honestly, it's beyond wrong, I'm not joking now, that is seriously not right, hell compared to conkers, that needs bringing to the attention of the Health and Safety Executive. Wrecking kids knees before they're even fully grown. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 2:54pm
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112 quid from P&B.... |
Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 3:24pm
So sorry, because of my working class education I tend to confuse my Spartans with my Trojans and my kaftans with my togas.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 3:26pm
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Weren't they still teaching in Latin when you were at school?
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 3:34pm
I know how it must feel, I have the same issues with Superkings verses Lambert and Butler.
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Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 21 Nov 13 at 5:30pm
| prohibere accipiens stercore |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 22 Nov 13 at 9:18am
| adde parvum parvo magnus acervus erit (Ovid) |
Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 22 Nov 13 at 10:51am
| Add a little small to be accervs ? We could conduct the whole of this forum in Google Latin but I fear that 'cunningham' may be lost in translation. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 22 Nov 13 at 11:12am
In captura ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 22 Nov 13 at 11:13am
| callidus sus |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 22 Nov 13 at 11:18am
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Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 22 Nov 13 at 11:38am
| I quoted Ovid while out sailing in my youth with Mr Chipps in my Iso. I am beginning to wish I never started this. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 22 Nov 13 at 12:13pm
| Νεφελοκοκκυγία ? |
Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 22 Nov 13 at 12:15pm
| Oh.....sod off Jim ! |