Ideas fo Re development of Olympic Classes
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Topic: Ideas fo Re development of Olympic Classes
Posted By: iitick
Subject: Ideas fo Re development of Olympic Classes
Date Posted: 16 Oct 13 at 1:34pm
| Come on, we all moan about them, too small too big, too old, too slow. Ideas? |
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Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 16 Oct 13 at 1:46pm
| not the whole story but lets include one-design small dinghy team racing, match racing like last tme, and a cat class, plus the foiling moths for the spectacle |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 16 Oct 13 at 2:14pm
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D1s for the big people Europes for the little people Megabyte mk 2s for the big big people Lasers for the in between people. ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 16 Oct 13 at 3:06pm
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There should be:
Kites Windsurf Cats Foils Big Person Dinghy (D1) Normal Person Dinghy (Laser) Lady/Small Person Dinghy (Radial) Two person Dinghy. All classes should have sub category Male Female. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: hobbiteater
Date Posted: 16 Oct 13 at 3:17pm
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1 class Foiling Extreme 40s racing in harbours Olympics is about watching not doing.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 Oct 13 at 3:26pm
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There should be: (each male and female) Windsurfer dinghy singlehanded dinghy doublehanded keelboat Catamaran If the doublehanded dinghy needs a big person and a small person, and the singlehander a midsized person, we are covered. Seems daft not to have a keelboat, when most people in sailing sail them. Don't care what, really, though sailing a boat designed in 1912 does seem a little behind the times. Laser/radial kind of make sense from a sheer numbers point of view, if nothing else, but do limit the weight bands with no mast/sail selection possible. Doublehander. I guess if we want speed, then it needs an assy, but I'd go for slower with a real kite. A modern take on the 470, with better weight carrying. Cats with an Assy/code zero. The modern breed with curved boards look great. Maybe this is where the foiling should come in? Windsurfer. Something that can be sailed in all conditions. Ban the pumping. And ban the pumping for all of them, actually. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: gbr940
Date Posted: 16 Oct 13 at 3:44pm
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Windsurfer Kiteboarding Dinghy singlehanded Foiler Dinghy doublehanded Keelboat Catamaran ------------- RS400 GBR1321 |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 16 Oct 13 at 4:26pm
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One design North Sails Kiteboard - Men One design North Sails Kiteboard - Women
Finn - Men Laser Radial - Women Mixed Cat Mixed keelboat (2x2) Foiling Moth - open If there are any other medals left, reallocate them to more popular sports. |
Posted By: johnreekie1980
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 8:43am
I say let the competitors get on with it and stop tinkering with the format to suit a tv audience that in the main could not care less. I as a interested sailor would watch any format so do not need to be pandered to. I am happy with an evening club race on a lake ending in a lottery however if i had spent 4 years of a campaign to come down to a shifty race under a city scape in low winds winner takes all then I would not be impressed. Unless of course it was me who lucked out that day
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Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 9:02am
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Mens & Womens Single Hander (One entry per country + World Top 10) Mens & Womens Double Hander (One entry per country + World Top 10)
3/4 person keel boat (fleet racing, mixed with a min crew weight, made up with correctors) Catamaran (A Class Foiling??) Double Handed Team Racing (mixed) Mens & Womens Windsurf What boats to use are really irrelevant as long as it is a level playing field (So SMOD maybe) If anyone has ever watched the Wilson Trophy @West Kirby you will see what an exciting spectator sport it is, you can get around the technicalities with dwell thought out coverage and knowledgeable commentary. |
Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 9:08am
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Posted By: Dougal
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 10:21am
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Allow more than one representative per country per class. ------------- What could possibly go wrong? |
Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 11:09am
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Rob Walker?....Eccurie Eccosse? I have been observing all these suggestions. Definitely a foiler, 80 Moths at the Worlds cant be wrong. Then Byte of course for sensible size people of both sexes. Laser because you have to. Mixed sex 470, what else is there? Then 49 er and FX. Finn or some new cheaper machine for fatties. A cat, they all look the same to me but a couple of those. It is harder than you think eh'. Perhaps we could build a brand new series of boats. The same design hull, just make it bigger or smaller and change rig as required. At present its all a bit of a hotch poch isn't it?
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 11:14am
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They should have foils, having said that Kiters are now up on foils with an embryonic group racing them (the original group quickly banned it so we now have a breakaway class) another reason the kites should be allowed to mature their racing before deciding to include them for Olympic selection.
I still fervently believe windsurfing should stay since it is the single most low cost accessible sailing sport for all countries and has more reach into the third world, having said that if it were me I'd select the Bic Techno since it is cheaper and has wider appeal amongst kids. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 11:37am
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 12:00pm
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There are a whole lot of factors set by the IOC you guys need to consider...
I think it includes max 380 competitors max 10 medals as many nations as possible competing on as many continents as possible (Sailing is weak in Africa) accessibility for minority nations much more... (Chris 249 has this stuff at his fingertips better than I) |
Posted By: hobbiteater
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 12:05pm
| if were changing the classes then we can change the ioc rules too |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 12:11pm
Quite right! I've decided that I'd like ocean racing to be in, too. The race would start on the other side of whatever ocean the games is near that year. So for 2016 it could start in Portugal and race across to Rio. For Japan, it could set our from San Francisco, maybe. Huge welcome when they get to the place where the dinghy sailing is being held. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 12:45pm
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Or Ocean racing from the previous venue to the current one? That would be a torch relay and a half...
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Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 12:50pm
Finn, Star and Europe, job done; bimbling, fitness, skill and tactics, olympic ideals met, great idea  ------------- Finn GBR16 Thunder Road. |
Posted By: redman
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 12:59pm
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Sorry to be a knob end, but I'm going to go with leave as is. The current choice meets what the Olympic ideal should be IMHO. Perhaps a lightweight female singlehanded. The Europe maybe. ------------- REDMAN |
Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 1:10pm
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Good idea Rupert. I like that, a bit of razzamatazz. How about pro helm celebrity crew? Sorry, sorry, joke! redman. Search extensive thread, ' Annalise Murphy'.
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