2013 K1 Nationals
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Topic: 2013 K1 Nationals
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Subject: 2013 K1 Nationals
Date Posted: 07 Oct 13 at 4:40pm
I didn't think the K1, with its narrow, very round hull would be much of a planer, but maybe I need to revise my ideas:
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 07 Oct 13 at 4:49pm
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it certainly looks like they had some fun!
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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 07 Oct 13 at 9:08pm
Ballasted boat in a gale fun shocker!
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 8:39am
Ballasted Boat Blustery Bonanza!
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 9:33am
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Leadmine topic in wrong forum section shocker...
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 11:08am
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When does a self-righting dinghy become a proper keelboat?
The original concept for the K1 was for a pure keelboat, but the production boat derives a lot of its righting moment from the hiking crew.
We need a definition based on the percentage of the righting moment provided by the keel in normal, powered-up sailing. Set it too low and you include Larks and Fireflies, mind.
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Posted By: SUGmeister
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 11:33am
Maybe the differentiation should be between dinghy and yacht and not dinghy and keelboat. Clearly a flying fifteen is not a yacht even though it shares a keel, an E22 maybe 30 ft long but again you might struggle to actually define it as a yacht whereas say a J24 clearly is a yacht.
Back in the 60s Redwings had horrendously heavy centreboards and no trapeze, they were never yachts or keelboats, between then and now they got rid of the steel centreboard and added a trapeze.
A K1 should be defined as a dinghy, bracket ballasted close brackets.
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 11:35am
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Laser Stratos Keel....clearly a dinghy with a ballasted board to help keep it the right way up......
What about a Finn? I seem to recall they have heavy metal boards...
Dare I even mention the Bosun?......
Personally I class the Flying Fifteen, K1 et al as dinghies.
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Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 11:43am
Originally posted by SUGmeister
...an E22 maybe 30 ft long but again you might struggle to actually define it as a yacht whereas say a J24 clearly is a yacht.
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Because it sinks when it capsizes? I use the classification YNBC Yacht with no bog or cooker. It's a yot when it costs you money to get it out of the water.
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 11:55am
Originally posted by RS400atC
It's a yot when it costs you money to get it out of the water. |
chuck a contender in the yot camp then.... slipped disc and a chiro ain't cheap.
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 12:47pm
Especially as chiros are quacks whose treatment is based entirely on a fictional account of how biology works.
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by alstorer
Especially as chiros are quacks whose treatment is based entirely on a fictional account of how biology works. |
Care to explain?
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 12:58pm
I always get the backs and the feet people confuse, anyway.
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by alstorer
Especially as chiros are quacks whose treatment is based entirely on a fictional account of how biology works. |
In hindsight, I sort of agree.
But I went to one recommended to me after putting my back out launching a boat (never stand beside the boat and try to move it by twisting your body!) and he fixed the problem in one visit.
Like all 'private' practitioners he wanted me to go back for repeat visits, but I avoided that trap.
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Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 8:43pm
Originally posted by jeffers
Laser Stratos Keel....clearly a dinghy with a ballasted board to help keep it the right way up......
What about a Finn? I seem to recall they have heavy metal boards...
Dare I even mention the Bosun?......
Personally I class the Flying Fifteen, K1 et al as dinghies. |
I've spent a lot of time scratching my head on some of the crossover classes. I put the Extreme 40's, AC45's and AC72's in the keelboat section, when they clearly don't have keels!
Without doubt it is a subjective view.
The Bosun though is a dinghy! Don't diss the Bosun - I won the nationals in them about 23 years ago! Beat Steve Cockerill too!
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 9:24pm
Originally posted by tgruitt
Originally posted by alstorer
Especially as chiros are quacks whose treatment is based entirely on a fictional account of how biology works. |
Care to explain?
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Chiro is based on the theory that everything that can go wrong on the body is because misalignments in the spine. They call these "subluxations". Subluxations do not exist.
Manipulating the spine is potentially useful for lower back problems, but nothing else. It would be better done by someone with medical training. Chiropractors have had pseudo-medical training.
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 08 Oct 13 at 11:19pm
Originally posted by SUGmeister
Maybe the differentiation should be between dinghy and yacht and not dinghy and keelboat. Clearly a flying fifteen is not a yacht even though it shares a keel, an E22 maybe 30 ft long but again you might struggle to actually define it as a yacht whereas say a J24 clearly is a yacht.
Back in the 60s Redwings had horrendously heavy centreboards and no trapeze, they were never yachts or keelboats, between then and now they got rid of the steel centreboard and added a trapeze.
A K1 should be defined as a dinghy, bracket ballasted close brackets.
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Clearly not!
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 09 Oct 13 at 10:30am
Originally posted by alstorer
Originally posted by tgruitt
Originally posted by alstorer
Especially as chiros are quacks whose treatment is based entirely on a fictional account of how biology works. |
Care to explain?
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Chiro is based on the theory that everything that can go wrong on the body is because misalignments in the spine. They call these "subluxations". Subluxations do not exist.
Manipulating the spine is potentially useful for lower back problems, but nothing else. It would be better done by someone with medical training. Chiropractors have had pseudo-medical training. |
Even if it doesn't exist and is a placebo, if it makes you feel better then don't you think it's good?
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 09 Oct 13 at 10:41am
Felt decidedly dangerous to me. I was worried my chiropractor (a huge Dutchman named Van Beest!) was going to break my back. I gather it can cause wear on the joints if you indulge too often.
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 09 Oct 13 at 10:48am
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I heard also they can do some serious nerve damage... but I dunno, I never used one.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 09 Oct 13 at 10:49am
As we are massively off thread already - what does an Osteopath do? (however you spell it)
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 09 Oct 13 at 12:28pm
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It's not excluded that one sails a K1, but in my experience they manipulate your back by getting you into back-breaking wrestling holds then leaning on you, which is extremely worrying (and one reason I didn't go back for further visits, I now recall).
But I'm surprised that they and osteopaths don't hang about Finn events hoping to pick up patients.
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 09 Oct 13 at 12:46pm
Osteopaths are a split from Chriopractic that likes to think that they are more medical- they (almost all) stick to just spinal complaints (unlike chiros that reckon they can fix asthma, diabetes etc)
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