RS Feva Worlds.
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Topic: RS Feva Worlds.
Posted By: i tick
Subject: RS Feva Worlds.
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 8:52am
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I just looked at the RS Feva Worlds site. Do you know there are 65 British boats? That is 130 of our finest youth being shipped to Tuscany by......mum and dad?? I presume the boats are mainly loan boats. The Brits are dominating on the water and in sheer numbers. I can understand huge Oppy and Topper fleets because they are all going to be the next Big Ben but how is there such enthusiasim for the humble (roto) Feva. Or is there something going on here?
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Posted By: ASok
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 9:17am
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If I had kids and they wanted to race in Tuscany, I'd have no problems at all funding that. Kids amused all day racing - mum and dad get to have a nice holiday in a great place.
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 10:34am
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I bet they aren't loan boats. I suspect those mums and dads are well used to ferrying kids all over the palce to major events at home and abroad, and why not. There are 23 boats up at Bass for the NSSA champs (only one byte) (my guys are lying 8th in their first major event) and plenty more racing round the country. The Feva is a great boat for kids - low maintenance, easy to rig and sail, yet also looks cool enough to be desirable. It has sounded the death knell for the mirror as a serious racer, which has effectively priced itself out of the market by making Winder the must-have boat for serious competitors. Plus of course the kids see it as old fashioned. a shame, but natural progress too. That being said, I'm in the process of fixing an old woodie for two little lads who dinged their £300 ebay bargain on their first trip out. They love the mirror, it's a great cheap way for them to sail together, until they can get enough cash and skill for a Feva... ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 10:37am
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I secretly can't wait for the time comes to buy a Feva for my girls.... chuck it on the back of the car for family holidays and it'll make a fun beach toy for me on my own for an hour or two. ------------- |
Posted By: i tick
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 2:42pm
| When we are often discussing the apparent problems of retaining young people in our sport it is impressive to me that bucket loads of kids will make that journey (with or without parents) into distant Europe particularly when NSSA is on at Bassenthwaite. Perhaps things are not as bad as we thought? |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 2:52pm
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It's what happens when it's not mum and dad driving it that is the worry. My 14 year old loves sailing. He's working through the squad system (so many on here will hate him already), but he goes out sailing whenever he can, club races with the adults (whom he regards as his friends) and probably sails more at our club than anyone else. This is very rare. Most of the juniors in the 'system' seem to only sail when it is a class event, or else someone is being paid to coach them. This is parent lead, rather than by the RYA. We rarely see these kids sailing for fun - maybe for them it isn't! Looking at the ex-youths at our club, the ones that still have a passion for sailing are those that did both squad sailing and club racing/fun sailing when they were in their teens. |
Posted By: i tick
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 3:02pm
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To balance this encouraging information out......a rough count of the Brits at the Oppy Worlds.......ONE? |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 3:02pm
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5
but that's all the places allocated.
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Posted By: i tick
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 3:06pm
| Oh, I see, allocation......and my maths is bad. |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 3:30pm
of which 80 sailors are invited to try out for, with a stringent pre-entry criteria.... http://tinyurl.com/pgxa6da" rel="nofollow - http://tinyurl.com/pgxa6da remind me to buy a tera instead if we go for singlehanders for my monkeys.... I think they've got a life of terms and conditions in front of them, assuming they were talented enough to sail at this level, I'd have hoped the following wouldn't really be necessary for a kids recreational sport: http://www.kbsuk.com/data/OptimistIOCAEvents/data/docs/2013_TandCs_Worlds.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.kbsuk.com/data/OptimistIOCAEvents/data/docs/2013_TandCs_Worlds.pdf This bit particularly stinks:
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Posted By: charlie1019
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 4:09pm
But they have an asy and race a windward leeward course! Surely after your comments about the 90's yesterday you would not expose them to such torture!?? ;) personally I'm a big fan of assy w/l racing but I also recognise that it is not for every stretch of water and in my opinion it is actually more tactical, with better boat on boat racing in a slightly slower asy that sails a hotter angle than a flat out 49'er or similar. I think the feva turnout is excellent! It looks great fun and far more cool and colourful than a mirror worlds. In my opinion it is one of RS's greatest success stories. I wonder if this is what they are trying to replicate with the cat, a cheap squad boat that becomes an RYA pathway class. My only concern is that once these kids have raced all over the world, when they come to select an adult class and they go non Olympic because they are not the next 'Ben', will they have been there, done that, now bored? All my youth squad friends quit sailing, bored with the unstructured approach that normal adult sailing is. After aiming for the youth worlds, topper squad selection, etc, Abersoch Dighy Week just does not excite them! I must confess that having the disposable income to do one international event in Europe a year in the boat I sail now really does excite me, far far more than club sailing ever could. I've tried the solo and while the big fleets were great it just was not my cup of tea - and in a fleet that big it quickly turns into bumper cars with little respect for the rules by some. now that I have been re-excited about international competitions it makes me wonder why the OK has never been more popular? |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 4:28pm
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feva for blatting around on a beach... yep why not? Asymmetrics make nice beach boats, or for having a bit of light hearted racing between 10 mates.... you could join in a local town regatta somewhere sunny and windless and call it a Nationals for all I care..... you won't catch me calling it a 'noddy class' or being derogatory about any classes any more, if you're having fun that's all that matters. As for racing- if my girls want to then fine, I will support it. But I'm not bothered if they do or don't want to make sailing a competitive thing, or a 'freeride sport'- much like winter sports, or windsurfing or riding bikes/ponies. sailing on our boat in spain etc. It'll be their call, not mine... on the whole damn thing; we live in the Midlands, I could hardly blame them for saying its all just totally sh*t if they'd rather be out on a pony. The asymmetric on the Feva is more like cruising chute anyway. That's not a criticism- quite the reverse, I agree with you totally about smaller kites being better for racing- well certainly the racing that happens around us. Which is why I was interested to see your (or was it Russ's) posts of FB about the gent D-Oneing in Abersoch- great to see someone doing well on a RTC course with a boat like that. I'd be interested to know if he found white sailing quicker, or whether he nursed the kite with dog-legs off the rhumline.... there's a genuine interest in that, I've always thought the D-One was a dark horse with one sail up.....
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Posted By: i tick
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 4:41pm
| And I thought it was about getting in a boat and going as fast as you can. You can't get drunk or stoned either, and bullying is out. May as well just go to Clacton and where what you want. |
Posted By: robin34024
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 4:42pm
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''My only concern is that once these kids have raced all over the world, when they come to select an adult class and they go non Olympic because they are not the next 'Ben', will they have been there, done that, now bored? All my youth squad friends quit sailing, bored with the unstructured approach that normal adult sailing is. After aiming for the youth worlds, topper squad selection, etc, Abersoch Dighy Week just does not excite them!'' Having just moved from a topper, I must say i'm worried about that too: i moved to a streaker because it's a really nice boat, not quick, just nice, there are a few at my club and they have a pretty good open circuit. Most of my friends have moved into 29ers: but not all of them are going to go into the natural progression of a 49er. what are the people who don't follow up the 29er with the 49er going to do? I couldn't imagine campaigning a topper for 3 years, then a 29er for another 2 all around England and Europe, then just going back to my home club and sailing something slower/less competitive. I fear that many juniors will, once they go to uni, just stop sailing. ------------- |
Posted By: charlie1019
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 4:45pm
| Jimbo I think the key point is that it is excellent that the feva is exiting so many kids and can be sailed on most sizes of water. I just hope that these kids stick around in the long run and don't get bored of sailing as it will be excellent for sailing on the whole! |
Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 4:51pm
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Well done to World Champs Hannah and Bobby from Leigh and Lowton :-)
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Posted By: charlie1019
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 4:57pm
And that is exactly what happened to my friends. Well done to the guys from L&L, top effort!! |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 5:00pm
I don't think those are unreasonable demands ... it is more a matter of whether you wish to encourage your child into elite sport .... if you are not happy with the above then keep your kids out of it ... it is a matter of choice.
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 5:02pm
http://www.mustoskiff.com/sub-pages/29er-to-musto-skiff-daniel-hendersen.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.mustoskiff.com/sub-pages/29er-to-musto-skiff-daniel-hendersen.htm
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 5:07pm
I don't think the Feva being 'more exciting' than say a cadet, mirror or oppy makes much difference at all. Kids classes with mummy and daddy driving the miles, paying the bills and buying the boat has always been popular / popular-ish. Just look at the Oppy Nationals on the league table.... If they leave at 18 or 21, so what... some will come back when they're older, enough to hopefully have a nice race in Lasers or Solos anyway. ------------- |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 5:09pm
a useful example- although not every kid who has a go in a Feva will end up working in the industry. ------------- |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 5:16pm
you're right it is choice... but I do find it quite sad that in order for a child to participate in 'elite sport' they have to effectively licence their own image rights, and become a poster boy/girl for the RYA and their Sponsors to make a commercial return on investment. Frankly that bit should be optional- I guess most would be happy with the exposure, especially any that by 13-15 have ambition to make a career as a pro sailor..... but it shouldn't be mandatory, not in corinthian sports anyway. ------------- |
Posted By: charlie1019
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 5:21pm
Or if you preffer to sit down or your local pond is not big enough for the Musto 
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/170402/D-One-Europeans-at-Lake-Garda-overall |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 5:21pm
Granted but it does use words like appropriate and reasonable so if you did have a kid with elite skills who didn't want to do all that stuff then I think there is enough wriggle room to get out of that. From what I have seen though the kids with squad jackets seem keener on posing around on shore with all the sponsors kit on than getting out there and enjoying the sailing but then that is another discussion.
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 5:48pm
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haha... yes, and I'm sure it would only be the 'trouble maker' parent who a) asked the PR team to STFU if it was becoming too much and b) put their kid in that position. But if you over-expose a kid to the adult world too young, then it may not be a very wise move... a simple look at the number of child stars from mainstream media of TV and film who end up in rehab or generally are a bit f*cked up, is testament to that.... it's not a model of parenting I think we should aspire to, and frankly I find the RYA a little crass for thinking they need to make young stars out of talented sailors... there's plenty of time for that when they're older and choose a life that comes with media attention. ------------- |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 6:17pm
| Back to loan boats - nope. The excellent Sailboat Deliveries delivered a massive shipment. Jubby and Pippa have some great shots of the vans in some tight Italian corners. |
Posted By: RichTea
Date Posted: 28 Jul 13 at 12:36pm
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My old Feva travelled to Tuscany. They have enjoyed the worlds. It makes for a holiday as well as a regatta.
We had a team travel north for the NSSA. If you plan correctly the cost can be split and it worked well for our club. Next year it is closer in Kent. ------------- RS200 |
Posted By: i tick
Date Posted: 28 Jul 13 at 7:32pm
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We had a girl called Hannah at our Byte open from Marconi. They were en route to NSSA. Very nice family.
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