RS200 Goosewinging
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Topic: RS200 Goosewinging
Posted By: tgruitt
Subject: RS200 Goosewinging
Date Posted: 03 Jul 13 at 10:54am
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Hi everyone, There might be the possibility that I will be sailing an RS200 on a small gravel pit with islands etc. I've heard about the Square Running System on the 200, is it as much of a faff as it sounds? If it is then what technique is needed to goosewing the assy kite without the SRS pole? Any help would be appreciated as I would rather have some knowledge before sailing it like that... Thanks. ------------- Needs to sail more... |
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 03 Jul 13 at 11:00am
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I think the SRS has officially been removed from the boat on class rules.... might be worth checking in with Ugs and co. ------------- |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 03 Jul 13 at 11:23am
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Is it a class event or a handicap event? Need to check the class rules, I think it's only banned for 'circuit' events or some-such weasel words. I have not seen an SRS pole for years TBH. Since it's no longer possible to find the 200 pages from the 400 homepage I haven't checked lately.
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Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 03 Jul 13 at 12:06pm
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I think goosewinging the kite is banned as is the pole at class events. http://www.hisc.co.uk/media/46774/rs_si_2013.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.hisc.co.uk/media/46774/rs_si_2013.pdf
22.3 RS200 only - the use of a pole to control the clew of the spinnaker is not permitted and the spinnaker may not be flown in a goose-winged fashion on the opposite side to the mainsail. The pole may be carried but not used. As Mr 400 said above, I believe it's ok at H/cap events though as class rules still permit. I recently swapped from a symmetric to the 200.....I was then told that I needed to learn how to "soak low".  Oh the irony......I think they're all closet symmy sailors really |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 03 Jul 13 at 12:21pm
I think we need to remember the old saying, 'one step backwards, two step forwards' [TUBE]Lhfiwvm79Pc[/TUBE] ------------- |
Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 03 Jul 13 at 12:36pm
sweet and quick...... Looks a bit like them old steam driven carpet looms though (pre-emptive shot)For a description of what's involved with the RS200 SRS, see bottom of page: http://uk.rs200sailing.org/index.asp?selection=Coaching&Fleet=RS200&subsect=Technique" rel="nofollow - http://uk.rs200sailing.org/index.asp?selection=Coaching&Fleet=RS200&subsect=Technique
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 16 Jul 13 at 11:10am
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So can anyone confirm that goosewinging the kite (without a SRS pole) is legal in handicap/non RS fleet racing?
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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 16 Jul 13 at 12:44pm
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is it actually very stable anyway? Whenever i have cocked a gybe up in my MPS and end up goose winging its more about which way am i going to capsize not if! ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: GybeFunny
Date Posted: 16 Jul 13 at 1:18pm
| I have used SRS, its a load of rubbish, dont bother with it! I wouldnt even bother with your goosewinging idea, far better off learning how to soak low. |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 16 Jul 13 at 1:32pm
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I can see it might be good to goosewing in light airs when you want to sail directly downwind to keep out of the tide for instance. There are times in stupidly light air when the kite on a 400 is no help, it's better to have it down and run in a straight line, particularly if that enables you to stay in the shallows out of the tide. If the idea had no merit, they would not have needed to ban it....
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 Jul 13 at 2:19pm
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Yes, as I understand it, you can use it in handicap racing (just as you can't hit the marks. My experience of it is from the mid 90's, before it was banned, and in anything less than planing conditions it seemed to be faster to goosewing than to reach off. There was another thread a while back about all this, wasn't there? As a training exercise once, I goosewinged a Vareo back down wind, and got there before the 2 100's who were hitting the corners, and that was in sitting out weather. Taking the shortest distance can often outweigh the speed gains. The skill is in working out when... ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 16 Jul 13 at 3:08pm
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I just read the 200 class rules. They specifically allow goosewinging jib or spinnaker to the opposite side of the main, including with a pole, max length 2m. They ban poling out either sail on the mainsail side (ie to leeward), so no dangly poles! They also note that SIs may ban goosewinging (as presumably their major event ones do.
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Posted By: Dark Harris
Date Posted: 16 Jul 13 at 3:18pm
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Hi,
RS havn't fitted sqare running kit on 200's for years but some of the early boats still have it, my original 200 was number 396 and that had it but not sure when all the big water guys voted to stop it. You need a spinny pole and a cleat and block that allows the halliard to to be shortened and the cleat stops the bowsprit going out. I sail on a river and it works a treat but you can get away with the crew holding the spinny out on the windward side and sailing by the lea with the kicker well off.
Good luck
Dark ------------- When they say you are too old you probably are, but do it anyway. |