In hauls and out hauls
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Topic: In hauls and out hauls
Posted By: NickA
Subject: In hauls and out hauls
Date Posted: 25 Feb 13 at 7:44pm
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I was musing at the number of ropes on a mate's Solo the other day and found it had an IN haul as well as the usual OUThaul. (I've seen Finns with them too). What's the point? Does it shift the angle of attach of the cunningham? Or what? I wondered if it was just a people-who-like-boats-that-have-ropes thing, but presumably had purpose originally even if not any more. ------------- Javelin 558 Contender 2574 |
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Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 25 Feb 13 at 7:56pm
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The theory is that in light airs you let the inhaul off 10 - 15 mm and take in the slack in the outhaul so that the depth in the sail is moved fractionally aft. (You are probably going to use a tightish foot in v light airs anyway.) In f3 and above you have the tack tight aganist the mast. In practice, for the average sailor, especially in light and variable conditions, it's main advantage might be in psyching out the opposition.
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Posted By: RichTea
Date Posted: 25 Feb 13 at 8:39pm
| Doesnt the laser have an "auto" inhaul in the form of the bungee on the boom? |
Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 25 Feb 13 at 8:55pm
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No the in haul is on the tack of the main.
I had one on my Phantom rigged up with the cunno. As i pulled on the cunningham I would get a crease from cunningham hole in the sail to the clew. I would lose all foot tension. So rigging the inhaul to come on with the cunno kept the foot inplace. ------------- |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 25 Feb 13 at 9:08pm
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My Europe had one, too. I confess, I never got good enough in the boat to work out what was fast when fiddling with it.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 25 Feb 13 at 10:24pm
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It adjusts the exhaust angle in the lower third...
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 25 Feb 13 at 10:47pm
| Luke has that right - makes a little less lower leech return and a slightly fuller entry when it is pulled on. Cringe never moves far! |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 7:52am
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inhaul loose = pointing with lower leech more closed. inhaul tight = footing with lower leech more OPEN  Everything in between  Also let off outhaul, tack and cunningham and you get a mighty powerful sail for downwind fun! I must say that a Finn would not be as good, or fast, without one  See you Sunday at the Dinghy Show where we can take a look at the effects on the Finn.
------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 9:13am
Are you not there Saturday? So can we expect a demonstration by Thunder Road, after cocktails? ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 9:20am
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NIckA / NickM / Mr Holman... on the basis that I'm one of the guys who one less bit of string is a good thing, where should the cringle get tied to when fixing? There's a split pin fitting on the boom, I don't have a split pin for it, but tie it to that, but am I better to use some thin dyneema and tie it dead tight against the mast instead? ------------- |
Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 9:51am
Bet that's illegal on a solo, ought to check that one out first fella, wouldn't ant you breaking the class rules ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 10:23am
Nothing illegal about that in a Solo, fix the tack however you want. I have the adjustable in haul on my Boon Solo, and very useful it is too, I do adjust it regularly throughout a race, usually off downwind, bar tight when I'm overpowered upwind and slack take out of it at other times upwind. On the other hand like pondmonkey you could just tie it off. |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 10:26am
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Hi Roger, Thanks for the feedback- if possible, could you take a snap of the inhaul system, how it's rigged etc and post on here when you get a mo? Many thanks, Jimbo ------------- |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 10:31am
Should the second line not end OPEN
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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 10:47am
Great to see that someone's awake this morning  ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 11:20am
I was hoping it was just for the irony of it roger, being jimbos boat. ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 11:20am
No problem Jimbo, its not easy to describe anyway so a picture makes sense. |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 11:27am
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Thanks Roger! ------------- |
Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 03 Mar 13 at 8:52pm
OK, picture below. A small block is attached to the mast just above boom level, it's tied as tight as possible and then the ropes are taped over as you can see in the pic, tape is getting a little worn and needs replacing really. (There are about 4 loops of very thin line around the mast, thus giving lots of friction) Line comes up, through the small turning block, through tack of sail, round mast and I then slot it through the back of the small block, tie a thumb knot in the end of the rope and drop the knot into the track on the mast, this secures the end. The line is obviously going down to a block which then twins the control to both side decks.  |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 8:27am
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Thanks Roger- definitely think it would be useful downwind ------------- |
Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 10:41am
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Hi
I am sure the Phantom version was integeral with the cunningham as well. We had some photos of it a few years ago on the website, maxi may have them somewhere. Cheers ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 11:28am
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They are still on there Gordon in the tech area. However that version is just one tighten the foot as the cunningham is tightened not to be adjustable as rogers solo one is. ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 7:22pm
I had one of those on my first Phantom, might simplify the controls a little but I'd say not recommended, much better to have them adjustable independently. |