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Topic: Sailing Fitness.
Posted By: fleaberto
Subject: Sailing Fitness.
Date Posted: 07 Dec 12 at 3:09pm
I'm looking for a book specific to fitness for sailing. I've seen the Michael Blackburn one, but the latest edition is Kindle only and, it seems, the paper version is only from Australia?
 
Anyone know either where I could get a copy or know of any up to date books that feature stuff about nutrition, specific excersizes etc? ......umm, not that i take my 'last-place' sailing too seriously you understand? LOL


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Lightning368 'All the Gear' (409), Lightning368 'Sprite' (101), Laser (big number) 'Yellow Jack', RS Vareo (432)'The Golden Rays'



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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 Dec 12 at 3:24pm
Lee, you are already stupidly fit - the best way of putting sailing fitness on top of that is to go sailing.

I, on the other hand, am just a wreck, but muscle memory allows me to go sailing for hours when I can't even run 1/2 a mile.

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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686


Posted By: fleaberto
Date Posted: 07 Dec 12 at 4:42pm
I'm trying to put more science into my regime these days Rupert - us tailenders work hard for that 18th place y'know! LOL

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Lightning368 'All the Gear' (409), Lightning368 'Sprite' (101), Laser (big number) 'Yellow Jack', RS Vareo (432)'The Golden Rays'


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 Dec 12 at 5:55pm
I was worried when a pink Lightning crossed ahead of me at the Rum and Mincepies recently - what you need is some coaching over the winter from someone like Jon Emmett and you'd be right in the mix come spring.

Actually, that is what I need, too, but I usually end up in the coaching boat teaching teenagers to race, so run out of weekends and energy.


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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686


Posted By: JohnW
Date Posted: 08 Dec 12 at 2:03pm
This is a good guide. 
http://concept2.co.uk/training/sailing - http://concept2.co.uk/training/sailing  
Its based around the Concept2 rower but the training plans are Heart Rate based so can be adapted for other activities.



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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 08 Dec 12 at 2:05pm
Jon Emmetts book covers some detail, also the David (?) Tan Laser book is pretty good.

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Musto Skiff and Solo sailor


Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 08 Dec 12 at 9:21pm
It is also worth noting that you do need to do some non sailing specific training to avoid muscle imbalances which can lead to injury as loss of function.

For example in sailing you tend to do lots of pulling, so it is very important to do some pushing exercises and have very good shoulder stability.

Likewise if you hike it is very important to strengthen the "back" of your legs as well as the "front" and good core strength will protect your lower back.




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Posted By: fleaberto
Date Posted: 10 Dec 12 at 12:16pm
Cheers for those links and thoughts.
 
Jon, It really is the 'specific fitness' that I'm looking to improve on and will be at my gym this week looking at changing my current plan to encompass more related excercise than my 'general' plan currently entails.
 
I think I'll buy your book anyway, good thoughts and methodology on goal setting - but any thoughts on what to include in a 45min routine would be great........I bloody hate squats though, all that sticking your arse out in front of everyone Big smile
 
(Though I did lose all grip in both wrists/forearms this weekend following some very hectic conditions)
 
Looks like lots of rowing, therabands and weights for me then.
 
*Rupert* I'll still be crap but at least I'll be able to be crap for longer next season! ("Less last" remains my mantra)
 
Thanks guys.


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Lightning368 'All the Gear' (409), Lightning368 'Sprite' (101), Laser (big number) 'Yellow Jack', RS Vareo (432)'The Golden Rays'


Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 10 Dec 12 at 12:55pm
There's also 'Mental and Physical Fitness for Sailing' in the 'Sail to Win' series by Fernhurst, if it's still available.

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Posted By: Jamesd
Date Posted: 10 Dec 12 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by Jon Emmett

It is also worth noting that you do need to do some non sailing specific training to avoid muscle imbalances which can lead to injury as loss of function.

For example in sailing you tend to do lots of pulling, so it is very important to do some pushing exercises and have very good shoulder stability.

Likewise if you hike it is very important to strengthen the "back" of your legs as well as the "front" and good core strength will protect your lower back.



THIS IS REALLY REALLY GOOD ADVICE!!!

I was racking up £200 worth of bills a month getting my back sorted!
My chiropractor knew i was a sailor when i told him my symptoms.........sore shoulders and lower back pains.
All coming from hiking and pulling string! exactly as Jon says. 

He put me through to this http://www.putneychiropractic.co.uk/pdf/ski_fitness_strength.pdf
And said that although its for skiing it is what i should be doing for sailing to help my hiking,
It has really helped me in just 2 months


Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 18 Dec 12 at 10:32pm
Thank for the tip James.  Tried out some of the putneychiropractic exercises today, and they are definitely not easy. I have a depressingly long way to go...


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 19 Dec 12 at 9:45am
Personally, I don't think you have to be 'that fit' to sail or go sailing, however it wouldn't do any harm to exercise regularly for your day to day existence and the physical act of sailing itself should or could be considered good for our general fitness.

So what to do without going to the expense of a gym and a personal trainer?

Go for a run or bike ride to warm up, then have a set of exercises with a one minute rest between them, not sure how able you already are, but say twenty sit ups, then say ten press ups, then twenty squat thrusts, then thirty burpees and if you have something to hang off ten chin ups, then repeat the sequence three times, at least twice a week, it'll tone up all the other muscle groups you tend to use and will cost you nothing financially.

As you get fitter simply increase the number, I'll give you the target of what I used to do back in the day, which was.. 150 bombing sit ups, 100 press ups (or one to ten count i.e do one then get up then do two and so on) 30 burps (they're boring) 100 squat thrusts, thirty chin ups mixed handed, over, under and one arm each way) times three with one minute rest period, this used to then be followed by running up and down a steep shingle beach as part of a training sequence with some local footballers, then I'd run home. (Footballers are fairies in the fitness world) Windsurfers you will note were deemed to be the fittest of all atheletes in a survey they carried out at the time of the Athens Olympics, because of all the air rowing, which didn't surprise me.

The other group I used to work out with were rowers, they're a fit bunch.

Until recently I still do pressups and sit ups every morning, but lately have relied purely on my twice daily bike ride with the dogs to keep reasonably supple. Off road mountain bike riding is good exercise, stomach, bit of upper body, aerobic and anaerobic all dealt with on a reasonable ride.


Posted By: Jamesd
Date Posted: 19 Dec 12 at 11:46am
Originally posted by iGRF


 Off road mountain bike riding is good exercise, stomach, bit of upper body, aerobic and anaerobic all dealt with on a reasonable ride.

If you get one of these modern bikes, they have a set of pedals for your feet! that way you can exercise your legs as well! 


Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 19 Dec 12 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by Jamesd

Originally posted by iGRF


 Off road mountain bike riding is good exercise, stomach, bit of upper body, aerobic and anaerobic all dealt with on a reasonable ride.

If you get one of these modern bikes, they have a set of pedals for your feet! that way you can exercise your legs as well! 


they didnt have pedals when he was a boy!LOL


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Posted By: Nihil
Date Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 1:36pm

Rowing is excellent as it gives you good core strength which is useful for hiking, and a bit of cardio.  Obviously as others have said, you want to target the legs, shoulders and core mostly but you have to be very careful you don’t only work those muscle groups or you will end up getting recurring issues in other areas as your body pulls itself out of shape.  I found working on my lower back useful (dead lifts aren’t fun but by god they work) for rocking in and out a lot from a full hike to sitting on the side deck as it takes some of the pressure off your abs.

 

My gym also has a bar with some dangly strap things hanging down with handles on them, so I do something I’ve nicknamed ‘wire hang pullups’.  I kick off something at a trapezeing angle, then dangle on the ‘handle’, then pull myself up with one arm until the handle is touching my chest.  Build to four sets of 8 reps then watch as you never have any issues with mucking about on wires again.  Quite why I bother when I only charge about in a laser most of the time I have no idea, but there you are.



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Posted By: fleaberto
Date Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 8:38pm
Received a copy of 'Sail Fitter' (cheers Dave!) and also bought a copy of Jon E's book......not that i'm taking this particularly seriously! LOL



Some really good tips and ideas. I'm pretty sure it won't change my 'back of the fleet' status, but at least I won't be out of breath for the bar!! Big smile


Oh and those wall-squat things?? - bloody brilliant!


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Lightning368 'All the Gear' (409), Lightning368 'Sprite' (101), Laser (big number) 'Yellow Jack', RS Vareo (432)'The Golden Rays'


Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 05 Feb 13 at 9:37pm
Here's a question - how long is best to leave it after sailing before training?
My weights routine for the last couple of years has been:
Legs and shoulders Monday, rest Tuesday
Arms, back and abs Wednesday, rest Thursday
Chest and triceps Friday, rest Saturday
 
This has worked well while I was sailing my 600, but since getting the 300 my legs have been taking more of a battering on Sundays!
 
Is it best to treat Sunday and Monday as one big legs session, then I've got the rest of the week to recover, or wait til say, Wednesday for my legs to recover from sailing then do my legs workout, and hope I'm recovered in time for Sunday?


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Posted By: fleaberto
Date Posted: 06 Feb 13 at 3:52pm
I do various different sessions - weights, cardio and those resistance bands.
One thing that I've really noticed an improvement in is the strength/endurance in my legs - that's something I've really concentrated on for hiking. Legs and back.
 
I can't express enough how good the Swiss ball leg squat routine is. I'm into the 'Hold for 2 minutes' range at the moment (4 sets) and my legs haven't been fading just lately.
 
Also, cycling. Cycling beats your legs up (in a good way) and provides a range of effort/difficulty to make quick & effective improvements.
 
I have three gym sessions: 1) Upper body (Chest, Shoulders, Trunk - (Russian Twists) - Isometric dumbell curls and 10mins varied force Bike)
             
                                             2) Legs/Trunk (Leg press, Leg extensions, Swiss ball back extensions, Swiss ball crunches, Swiss ball hamstring curls, Close-hand press ups, Swiss ball wall squats, standard dumbell curls, 10mins varied force bike).
 
                                             3) CV - 10mins Row (aiming at 2200 metres), 15 mins varied speed run, 15 min varied force bike.
 
Each of these takes around 45 mins. You don't want to be doing much more than that really.
 
In addition, I have a half hour routine that I do at home as a circuit: Bench press, Swiss ball back extension, Swiss ball abs crunch, Standard dumbell arm curls, Swiss ball wall squat, Shoulder lateral raises, standard press-ups and 'Sheeting in' by hooking a resistance band around my feet - Mimic sheeting in action whilst sitting, legs out front, on the floor.
I Do this circuit 4 times.
 
All sounds like a lot, but it doesn't take long really and I guess I tend to do a couple of days in a row, take a day off and do another couple of days then take two days off.
I tend to have a 'rest' day before sailing - loading up on carbs during the day. So, I guess that gives me a pattern of Mon/Tues/Thurs/Fri....with a sauna/steam/jacuzzi after sailing on Sundays Big smile
 
In the 600 you probably didn't need to use the hiking muscles all that much, but the 300 - like my EPS and Lightning - will need those legs, abs and back strengthening. 
Weight-wise I do medium but with very long holds to build up endurance - particularly the wall squats and arm curls. 
 
My goal in 2013 is to be the fittest tailender in the fleet! LOL


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Lightning368 'All the Gear' (409), Lightning368 'Sprite' (101), Laser (big number) 'Yellow Jack', RS Vareo (432)'The Golden Rays'


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 Feb 13 at 2:28pm
Blimey...

Am feeling very lazy and unfit now...


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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686



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