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Topic: Laser luff tube claim

Posted By: piglet
Subject: Laser luff tube claim
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 2:38pm

Eldest son did the usual with the top section & sail.

No quibble with the top section but the sail didn't rip into the panel so our insurer wants to repair. One sailing colleague has suggested this may render the sail illegal, another thinks that Laser rules permits up to 75% of the luff tube can be replaced.

Any wisdom gratefully recieved.

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Posted By: Fraggle
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 4:00pm

About the best info I can find for you is here http://www.laserinternational.org/rules/classrules/partthree/repairsandmaintenance - http://www.laserinternational.org/rules/classrules/partthree/repairsandmaintenance

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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 4:17pm

someone here had such a claim and the insurers simply coughed for a new sail. I think there were multiple tears though.

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Posted By: LASERNUT
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 4:43pm

Done loads of these. Legal if it only a small section of the sleeve but not if it is in the panel of the sail.

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Posted By: piglet
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 5:10pm

Thanks Fraggle

http://www.laserinternational.org/rules/classrules/partthree/repairsandmaintenance - http://www.laserinternational.org/rules/classrules/partthree/repairsandmaintenance says:

26.d. Sail panels and luff sleeves shall not be replaced.

Doesn't mention patching, and doesn't make distinction beteen luff tube or panel.

Now even more confused.

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 5:25pm

Originally posted by piglet

even more confused

Section 26.a says that you can make repairs. However section 26.d says these cannot be whole panels/whole luff tube.

So I'd say this means the original material needs to stay in place and be patched. Its a sensible way of ensuring there aren't any "accidental" shape changes.

Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 5:27pm

a Repairs to the sail may be carried out without violation of these Rules provided such repairs are made in such a way that the essential shape, characteristics or function of the original are not affected.

(I removed some superfluous bits)

I read part d as stopping you from replacing the entire luff tube (which might allow you to alter the sail shape/setting/relationship to the mast) But part a clearly allows repairs.

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Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 5:29pm

Also, Jim is much faster than me at computering...

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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 27 Nov 12 at 11:27am

I had something similar - the sail was awful afterwards - never looked the same again.

Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 27 Nov 12 at 11:37am

I really don't understand why the insurance companies still cover Laser top sections and ripped sails. This is surely just wear and tear and will happen to most Laser rigs in due course.

If they were to exclude these claims then they could reduce the premium. I bet you they have a few a week when it is windy.

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Posted By: piglet
Date Posted: 27 Nov 12 at 11:40am

Looks like my insurers are perfectly within their rights then (I thought they probably were)

Good advice chaps thanks.

Posted By: deadrock
Date Posted: 27 Nov 12 at 1:48pm

Lots of good advice on this forum! LPW and JimC are correct. Any patch must cover the old material, but cannot replace it, so don't cut away any part of the sleeve.

Top-sections fail a lot less than they used to, provided you place the collar rivet facing the stern. Line up the arrows and tape the spars together. If the spar bends don't try to straighten it by putting the rivet bow-first. Do it gently shore-side, with the top-section inserted in the bottom-section.

End-for-ending the top-section is legal, and doubles the life of the spar, but you must rivet the old collar-hole to keep the spar relatively watertight (and legal).

Nick Livingstone

UKLA Measurer.

Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 28 Nov 12 at 7:03pm

Originally posted by rich96

I had something similar - the sail was awful afterwards - never looked the same again.

You should be able to make a repair and keep the sail competitive (assuming that it was competitive before hand!)

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