Club Champions
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Topic: Club Champions
Posted By: gordon1277
Subject: Club Champions
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 11:46am
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How do your clubs decide the club champion in your clubs?
At Lee we used to ask all the people who had one a series across all classes to do 3 races on average lap basis on a single day. Due to bad weather we lost this event about 3 year running so altered it to who had one the most series in a season with a mixture of class racing and all in handicap series. The latter has in my opinion not found the best sailor at the club but he who turns out most. Please note I have won it this way but am definitely not the best sailor in the club so consider my thoughts impartial. So how do you lot think is the best way to find the club champion. Regards Gordon ------------- Gordon Lossc |
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Posted By: SoggyBadger
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 11:51am
Drinking competition  ------------- Best wishes from deep in the woods SB |
Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 11:57am
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We basically have 4 or 5 club 'Opens' a year, these have their own stand alone trophey's. But we also call them trophey days. These count towards a total series and the winner takes the club championships. ------------- |
Posted By: marke
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 11:58am
The three clubs that I have been a member of that had a "club champion" used much the same scheme. 7-10 single race 'trophy' events (to encourage turnout) spread throughout the season (to get different conditions) used as a series with 50-60% of races to count - usually a mix of handicap and the occasional pursuit race to mix it up. Current club has a 'premier trophy' series (first awarded 1880 something!) with four races spread throughout the year, and the trophy race series (8 races spread throughout the season). Both generally get the top sailors in the right end of the results - but (as Eric Morecambe once said) "not necessarily in the right order"  . |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 11:59am
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Simple - we don't have one. Can't say ever occurred to us. Sounds slightly elitist, really.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: fleaberto
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 12:07pm
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We don't have a club champion as such......over the 4 series across the year we can kind of figure out 'the best' sailor.
Actually, I'M our club champion in the '12foot pink dinghy with a 4 a 0 and a 9 in the sail number' trophy  ------------- Lightning368 'All the Gear' (409), Lightning368 'Sprite' (101), Laser (big number) 'Yellow Jack', RS Vareo (432)'The Golden Rays' |
Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 12:08pm
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Hi Rupert
Is not any form of competition elitist as somebody is going to win and somebody else lose? Soggy Nice idea, well being a phantom sailor I can imagine I would have a good shout at that one. ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 12:17pm
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I think ours is done via a series of pursuit races... as I've never been interested in the format I can't say I've lost much sleep over it, I couldn't even tell you who ours is, has been or in contention tbh. I agree with Rupert- it seems a preposterous idea and frankly fairly meaningless, quite often the 'best' sailors at a club are the ones who are away doing campaigns and opens, not dodging Flying Fifteens and moaning about the Phantom handicap in the bar. We do however have another trophy, I thinks it's called the Commodore's Cup. Issued at the discretion of the Commodore to the club member who has contributed the most to the club over the past year. I've seen it awarded twice, once to a junior member who'd done absolutely brilliantly at an RS event, the second time to a long standing member who puts a lot in to the club, races every week etc Both were well deserved and I think this notion carries far more credibility than winning a pursuit race or two.
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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 12:26pm
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It Is meant as a bit of fun really.
Has every body taken a mister angry pill this week. At Lee it would be really great to see Matt Howard and Nick Craig flogging it out to see who is really best but it is never going to happen so it is left to us normal mortals enjoy ourselves. Some of us even do open meetings and Nationals as well! ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 12:34pm
No anger, just 100% nonchalance towards it.  ------------- |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 1:18pm
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No, not angry at all - it is just that we already have winners of the series' - and the sailor with most wins often picks up a wheelbarrow full of trophies at the dinner dance, anyway. The idea that he or she (or they, of course, in a doublehander) needs another trophy seems wrong, and to have a separate event means that the person with all the trophies might not be "club Champ". As PM says, maybe better to celebrate real achievement at the club. I suppose this is because we only have handicap racing. In a club with fleets, I can see that you could have an Endeavour style event to decide on a champ - that would be fun. Apologies if my previous post came over as grumpy - wasn't supposed to be. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 1:23pm
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At SSC Points are calculated as follows: Fleet average corrected finishing time/boat corrected time x 100. 60% races in Spring, Summer & Autumn AM Series to count. This allows results in Fast and Medium Fleets to be combined and a club champion to be crowned. ------------- Nick D-Zero 316 |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 1:37pm
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We count overall results of all club PY race, excluding any with a turnout below a small threshold. One more than half to count over the main season(not winter series). It works. I think we have plenty of trophies at our club. It's actually 'top helm', so you can count results from different boats. If it encourages people to turn out to qualify, why would that be a bad thing? Obviously making so many races count that it discourages going to open meetings would be wrong IMHO. |
Posted By: GybeFunny
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 2:07pm
| We have 11 fleets so have a endeavour style handicap race at the end of the season where only the top 3 or 4 in each fleet can compete. |
Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 2:09pm
Imagine the joy, spraying lesser mortals with a super large litre bottle of Babycham, drinking from the solid silver trophy, laurels on the noble head, feted by the alternates, it brings a quiver to ones manly lips and a tear to the eye, add, perhaps a slave to whisper in your finely sculptured ear that you are not a yet a god. In reality at my previous it was settled by one long race, on two occasions i won it (fluke) and by the time I had put my boat away and got to the prize giving, the trophies had been presented, the big one was back in the cabinet and there was some token offering left behind the bar and everybody had b-----ed off ------------- Finn GBR16 Thunder Road. |
Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 2:14pm
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Thunder
maybe you had told somebody about your frankly scary fantasy. Hence they had all bxxgered off, cant blame them really. Dear Icon class you should about be very afraid of strange ex finn sailors! ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 3:06pm
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One day, 5 races, Pico sailing. The winner takes all!
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 3:47pm
I told you T R , nobody likes you! Been mixing drinks for them as well by any chance ? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 4:50pm
That's where I come in I understand these strange creatures and, strangly enough, both if the Icons I have taken orders for to date are ex Finn sailors  Am currently talking to a National 12 sailor, an Enterprise sailor and and MPS sailor who have shown interest - any tips? The Finn sailors I can handle ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 6:04pm
Rodney, as an ex (or not so ex) Finn sailor and iconic sailor (soon to be), I've yet to be handled by you, and would rather not be. Can you tell me; is Babycham and being handled by you linked, and if I stay off the Babycham would I be safe I need to know such things before I venture across the border to Englandshire to sail. Are you all like that down there and is that why you all so enjoyed the Foddamites Open Meeting? ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |
Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 8:34pm
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Well in our club its the lowest points score over the classes i won it a couple of times then gave up for the past few years not sailiing quite so much. So the more you turn up and sail the more or less points you score making you the winner so in some way just turning up helps but at the end of the day the best sailor might not win it just the one who turns up the most ------------- Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest. 2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 9:10pm
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But perhaps the club champion should be the one who turns up most. The are championing the club after all! ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 09 Nov 12 at 11:28pm
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We have this as a club event - used to be a series, now one race, but it's hardly seen as the pinnacle. But we did hold a rather special race one, a Frensham Champion of Champions. You had to have won a Nationals to be invited to sail. It was held in Access dinghies (we have sailability champions too, so fair's fair) For the record, Nick Craig and many other notables were lead home by Andy Shorrocks ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 10 Nov 12 at 8:56am
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At Hunts we have several nominated events which count towards the overall club championship. It can be a case of whoever does these events but most of the top end sailors at the club tend to turn out. it does, most of the time, seem a fair representation of the talent and ability. ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 10 Nov 12 at 11:08am
Er "they" are not like any normal humankind, if ever there were an example of an Alien life form (benevolent) having taken over a human, found it had made a mistake and gotten trapped in a stupid one, then, not knowing how to react when the genuine multi faceted versions show up, it's your typical Finn sailor out of it's natural environment. They adopt a slightly patronising grin, slink about hovering a couple of centimetres above the ground and are attended upon by even less intelligent drones, drink drones, that mix their beverages for them. They communicate by a strange mix of English and dribble, all the time they are on, or hovering just above terra firma. Only once they return to their craft, which is easily identifiable by it's metal conductor ariel, only then do they return to any form of higher functionality. They are a strange race, kind of Battlestar Gallactica gone mental, only the cylons won. I'm working on a language communicator, someone needs to be able to talk sense to them, if only to point out their metal communication device is a dead giveaway that they ain't proper sailors.. That Ben Ainslie fella, the Cylon, clearly proves my theory. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 10 Nov 12 at 1:57pm
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The strange ones We are ......... easily to the bate we rise.... But the GRF until our language he works out will remain sadly unaware of the perfection of this fine young light craft (when compared to the Battle Star ... Sailing not of the galaxy type). Spotted our interstellar communicator he has but clearly also slow on the uptake is he ..... Years it'll take him to learn the finer arts of the Finnside. Bring on yodacobb!
Back to subject ..... Finn masters are rarely club champions because the handicap is so hard ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 10 Nov 12 at 2:13pm
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Cylons ha gets them every time, pass me a blaster..
Club Champions we don't have them, wouldn't be fair to the travellers, wouldn't be fair to lots of folk to single any one sailor out. We have series winners in a couple of classes, don't think in thirty years I've ever won one. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 10 Nov 12 at 2:18pm
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Reason for not winning there is ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 12 Nov 12 at 3:01pm
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We don't have a Club Champion. We do have a Yachtsman of the Year Award though - but that's for the member whose made the biggest prat of themselves (usually on the water). It's more fun than having a champion. We all know whose gone off with the biggest box of trophies - they do it every year. ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 12 Nov 12 at 5:05pm
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Hi Peter
At lee that is called the flossy award and is awarded for services in the field! Past winners reasons have had to be cleaned up at the prize giving, but twice to much beer and curry the night before followed by long day in a dry suite, I will leave the result to your imagination. The mistake made of course was telling anybody. Cheers Gordon ------------- Gordon Lossc |