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ham4sand ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 452 |
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i rem,ember more now... i think its when the boats stern overtakes the trough of the bow wave....according to frank bethwaite
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John Hamilton
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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Had a look out for these to night and they definitely appear as the speed starts to build. I shall keep an eye on them ![]() |
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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Isn't that what I said?
As it was from the Tasar manual I think our sources are the same as well.
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ham4sand ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 452 |
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yes but i was just saying it was the trough of the boW wave, not the crest, sorry matt
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ColPrice2002 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 25 Nov 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 222 |
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Yup, Really much more complicated, but some dinghies have an obvious transition - My old Firefly had a noticeable transition - usually needing a significant weight shift sternwards - between non-planing & "planing". My Solo has a trasition - but this is less severe (differnet hull shape) - however there are at least 2 different stages - I reached stage 2 in (non-forum) gusts of Force 6 - mega amounts of spray! On the other hand, the Merlin seems to lift (stage 1) almost imperceptibly. What Dinghy is the OP using?
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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A 4 Tonner I believe, but the context is a tuning guide, so the creator of the tuning guide had a speed range in mind where certain settings need to be changed, so all she needs to know is when that point is reached. A discussion on what *is* planing would be better placed in the development forum... |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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Exactly. It related to jib sheet tension. When to keep it tight to aid pointing against when to let it off some to sail free. It was suggested that when planing there may be some advantage to sailing freer but a bit more reading suggests that there may not be much of an advantage doing this in a 4000. Still, at least now I know when we're (perceived to be) planing - other than when the daggerboard sings to us. Edited by ellistine |
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Frank Bethwaite either misunderstands or choses to mis-represent what planing is. It has nothing WHATSOEVER to do with sailing faster than "hull speed". There is no magic Froude number at which planing begins. As unhelpful as it is to real life, planing 'begins' when there is a stagnation point on the underside of the hull. |
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