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    Posted: 19 Nov 12 at 10:19am
and Tick... 'fit skinny boys'... probably not a good use of language these days.  Can I suggest 'athletic' or 'lacking in beer and pies'.
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Yes, I suppose so.....but I did avoid saying "sexy young girls". In truth all those 29er kids looked great, enthusiastic and brave. But believe me they were just children to me.....is that even worse? Oh sh*t, how about like my own (4) children used to be. Not sure that's any better!

Anyway the point I am making is that they are being short changed by the sailing authorities. Topper to 29er at 14!!! or Laser 4.7!!! If I was a young person (and I was once) I would have taken that option. Remember GRF is playing with this EPS thing because even at his advanced age it seems unfashionable to be seen flapping round in a Radial. I believe that some of our compatriots were in the 29er fleet. I wonder what they think?
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Quite a lot of those "14 year olds" where talking about university and their first term though, but why are they short changed, why shouldn't they be sailing a skiff type boat.  Would you rather they sailed 420's that honestly don't seem to have any logical progression beyond for young sailors.....470 maybe for a few, but i doubt the rest will be buying fireballs or 505's!
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It's the age old problem though isn't it?  Participation post-uni without parental assistance.  

Most will graduate with so much debt now that even if they wanted it they could barely afford the £1000 for a club race spec Laser, so worrying about short changing them prior uni is rather a moot point with regards young adult participation.    


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What I am trying to say is that the recommended classes do not appeal to youth. If a teenager wants a sexy boat after Toppers what are his options? 29er? very cool but what else is there whilst still sailing with your mates? 420? what!! looks like a tub leading to a 470, I don't think I ever saw one in the flesh. Most single hander kids end up in huge fleets of Lasers leading to the Olympics......for perhaps one of two of them.....and they have to be fattish to cope. We  need a single hander. Byte is the Youth Olympic boat but the RYA will not support it because they are concentrating on the Olympic class, Laser. Why cant the kids have a  go at this? The rest of the World does?

Incidentally I believe a 49er is about twenty grand on the road and two Musto's ?

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Originally posted by pondmonkey

It's the age old problem though isn't it?  Participation post-uni without parental assistance.  

Most will graduate with so much debt now that even if they wanted it they could barely afford the £1000 for a club race spec Laser, so worrying about short changing them prior uni is rather a moot point with regards young adult participation.    




We have just spent our Sport England grant on two laser vagos to address exactly this issue.  Not the ideal choice of boat, but the best we could afford and the youngsters are loving it.  Two of our older topper squaddies (we have three national squad and three zone squad) are pretty much set on the 29er as the boat of choice when they come out of the topper - they are 16 btw, not 14.  And skinny, and fit....
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I think the main reason the RYA doesn't especially support the Byte is that the sailors have voted with their feet.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 12 at 11:09am
The very first dinghy I actually parted with revenue dutie'd cash for came from Grafham, it was a slightly darker shade of lavender like pond monkeys, an L3k, it didn't matter because, back then like Pond Monkey I was buying it with a view to sailing with my daughter, what followed was that catalogue of catastrophes that ended here.
However whilst at Grafham a couple of very very helpful young men, well spoken obviously privately educated, having helped me sort the boat from the parking bay and weeds, then wandered off to prepare their own craft, my first site of a 29er, which to me back then was simply stunning, my I remember thinking, how things have come on and what a blast that must be to sail.
Little at that time did I know of the realities of dinghydom, but at first site to the uneducated eye, they still look the part, so you can't really blame the kids for wanting them and the same can be said for the 49er.

I agree about the Laser and it's continued place in the world, it should have long gone, but it's still there so we have no choice other than to deal with it, such a shame they didn't just port everyone from it into the EPS, what a much better place the world would be now.

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Pondmonkey, why should the young pre uni kids have single hander fun in a boat they feel good in? You can buy a Byte for £1000 and win the Nationals (we can prove it) Just look at photos of big Byte races abroad.....hoardes of kids. In this country the fleet is made up of a few young people and experienced older sailors who appreciate the boat. A few years ago the Weymouth Worlds was won by John Emmet. The next 2 years it was won by Darren Choy from Singapore at 16 and 17. How great is that....when a 16 year old beats an established Olympic ? sailor. Why cant our youth have that?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 12 at 11:13am
I guess like Jim says, they can, but they have chosen not to.  The byte has never been a popular class here, even before the topper and the laser were youth classes, people still didn't choose a byte.  Unfortunately it's like all things, unless you can achieve critical mass, people just aren't interested.  I like the byte and the c2, but I like the Europe more but again we come up against the same story - there aren't enough around to make a decent fleet.
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