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    Posted: 22 Jan 14 at 2:25pm
Should (will) have a boat on the Dinghy Show stand, latest revisions are coming together over next few weeks so will be able to add more (inc photos) shortly. Much sailing and work done since Martins initial post.

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Originally posted by Rupert

A car needs to be a box with a towbar. A boat, however, needs soul. This doesn't mean it has to cost a lot.
 
And as Rupert (or rather Mrs Rupert) has worked out, that box needs to have a good bed and a cooker within it for multi-day events.
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Or capable of finding a Hotel with decent room service, spa and complimentary designer toiletries... (The cost of which can be offset by buying a knackered sail off one those semi-pro guys who get their name in Y&Y every month)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iitick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jan 14 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by Riki @ RS

Should (will) have a boat on the Dinghy Show stand, latest revisions are coming together over next few weeks so will be able to add more (inc photos) shortly. Much sailing and work done since Martins initial post.


It is interesting to note that the above announcement ends most of the speculation so no one knows what to say....consequently we carry on talking about cars.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Topper started doing the boat finance in the 90's, with disasterous results - they went bust. I think maybe others have been a little shy of pushing it too much since then, though I'm sure RS have a scheme in place, it doesn't dominate the sales and marketing.

I am 90% sure that topper would not of been under writing the finance packages.  There are no dinghy manufacturers of any size that i am aware of that could afford to successfully underwrite any substantial amount of finance business.  As such it would of been underwritten by someone like Blackhorse Leisure and Topper would of earned a commission or paid a subsidy (if they wanted to offer )% or low cost funding) There are however specialist lenders that would offer a leisure style personal loan agreement.  As for GFV's, i think that would be a struggle to get past any lender.   They just wouldn't have the resource to be able to calculate what the Dinghy was worth at the end of the agreement.  I suspect any package offered would just be a straight personal loan with a deferred final payment.  Carefully worded to sound like a option to purchase payment.  When in reality it guarantees nothing.

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As for cars, i have just become officially old having ordered my first Volvo Estate.

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Originally posted by Ruscoe

As for cars, i have just become officially old having ordered my first Volvo Estate.

Beth made the regional burn-out squad already?  I do hope you have it fully liveried up - and you'll need a T5 for the mrs too.
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I think your all to inward looking. You're assuming that all sailors are exact replicas of the drones who frequent your own clique!

I know many a sailor who's boat is worth several times more than their cars, and I know an equally large number who have inexpensive cars and inexpensive boats.

One of the main points is that depreciation in boats is significantly lower and slower than automobiles, which perhaps encourages people to spend when they maybe wouldnt on a car. If new boats came out every couple of years and everyone jumped ship so to speak and move to the latest craze then I suspect residuals would plummit and we'd be in the horror position that new car buyers are in (who buys new cars?).
This then raises the question of why re-invent every 3yrs. Car manufacturers do it because cars are seen as status symbols and they have hoodwinked the public into thinking that driving around in anything older than 3yrs makes them look like a 2nd class citizen. The general public are like unthinking sheep following the herd into financial ruin just so that they can keep up with the Jones or try to win one over the rest of their street, all for a tin box that gets you from A to B. Its ultimately fashion.

Sailing isnt really a 'fashion' sport and as such I think its wrong to try a draw comparisons to the marketing worlds that some of you exist in. For the majority of us, a slight rounding off of some sharp corners on an otherwise identical hull shape wont make us run down to the bank for a loan every 3yrs and nor will a slightly different hull colour. The latter being a model employed by Laser but I very much doubt if as a result of it they got any owners to trade up from last years colour!

Sailing is a technically constrained sport unless you sail a development class. Followers of the sport appreciate improvements in tech and not just visual guff, and the developments tend to be in things like blocks, cleats, ropes and not the actual hulls. If you stick to a particular class then why change boats every 3yrs if a ten year old boat is still competitive?

Now if your proposals are to create sh*t boats that break after 2yrs, depreciate by 60% as soon as I tow it away and evolve at such a pace that only the wealthy can carry on playing the game then frankly you can piss off and leave our sport alone.

I will now disappear off in my 10yr old car thats worth £1000 and carry on sailing my 10yr old boat thats still worth £3500!!
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Originally posted by Ruscoe

Originally posted by Rupert

Topper started doing the boat finance in the 90's, with disasterous results - they went bust. I think maybe others have been a little shy of pushing it too much since then, though I'm sure RS have a scheme in place, it doesn't dominate the sales and marketing.

I am 90% sure that topper would not of been under writing the finance packages.  There are no dinghy manufacturers of any size that i am aware of that could afford to successfully underwrite any substantial amount of finance business.  As such it would of been underwritten by someone like Blackhorse Leisure and Topper would of earned a commission or paid a subsidy (if they wanted to offer )% or low cost funding) There are however specialist lenders that would offer a leisure style personal loan agreement.  As for GFV's, i think that would be a struggle to get past any lender.   They just wouldn't have the resource to be able to calculate what the Dinghy was worth at the end of the agreement.  I suspect any package offered would just be a straight personal loan with a deferred final payment.  Carefully worded to sound like a option to purchase payment.  When in reality it guarantees nothing.


I can't remember the full story now, but the Breeze when it came out was the AV breeze, named after the finance company - I wan't to say Aqua Vita, but surely that isn't right. I have a feeling that basically the finance company owned Topper, but after all these years, the detail has gone from my mind.
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As for RSpeculation, I'm now really looking forward to pictures, but on a forum like this, weeks are years - I want them now!
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