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Nick Peters 
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 Topic: RS400 proposed changesPosted: 17 Oct 10 at 2:31pm |
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Not intentionally performance enhancing anyway - mattk - take all your points, might actually be slower! Main problem is needing to change from cross cut to radial....so you could never claim there will be NO performance difference - but as long as it is little enough to not really be measureable either way, then fine...wouldn't say much for Mr Lennon if it was slower!
Agree with Peaky over the jib....on the main see what the class want, but my take would be to make a main to same leech profile as existing but radial with new cloth as next stage....
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blaze720
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Posted: 17 Oct 10 at 5:42pm |
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The trouble with being a SMOD builder is you get knocked if you ‘do’ and
knocked if you ‘don’t’ update periodically.
You simply cannot keep all of the people happy all of the time but
without appropriate evolution any class will ultimately die. There are always a few who will not wish you or
your class well whatever you do .... so as diplomatically as possible you have
to just get on with it. Within the existing
(remaining?) owners there will also be those who want NO CHANGE .... EVER – many
of them bought into the class late in the day on the basis that it was by then cheap
and they would never ever have to spend a few quid on the boat aside very
occasional sail replacement. They
naturally want to protect their ‘investment’ now .... What they do not always realise is that long term decline – the result
of ignoring the rest of the world and what is happening – will stuff their
value anyway. Sorry .... dinghy sailing
is a relatively low cost sport but it is a bit equipment intensive and you will
have to spend – often in some classes and less often in others but be pretty
certain from the outset you will not escape periodic upgrading costs in most
classes. In SMOD classes the manufacturer makes the ultimate decision on ‘what’
and ‘when’ – you buy into a formula if you like that maintains the class. Some classes are controlled completely by the
CA but SMODS are controlled by the maker – but generally with collaborative positive
input from the CA. You pays yer money
and makes your choice. If you don’t
value the clear direction or leadership of a proactive builder then with
respect you should sell and migrate to one that suits you better. Without
the drive of the SMOD’s in the last 2 decades dinghy sailing would be much the
worse. We had to win over a conservative minority of Blaze owners ourselves to
push through much needed updating. You’ll
never convince all on day one as a builder but if you are right the class jumps
forward again very soon anyway. RS are absolutely right to review the 400 at this time and take the
lead - but I’m sure they will listen
very carefully while they are doing it.. Mike L. (Cirrus Raceboats) |
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Posted: 17 Oct 10 at 6:44pm |
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It is indeed an emotive subject and I was very interested to get your take on the matter, as you seem to have gone through it before.
The picture I am missing is how you managed to get the sail (shape, not material) change passed by the Class Association, but I was out of the boat by then, so I have no idea ow that was managed.
It strikes me that.....it was managed, so perhaps a "heads up" would be good.
"rock and a hard place" is the expression that springs to mind.
Interesting that you were willing to change the mainsail but not go the whole "nine yards" and stick a spinnaker on it....so it begs the question....where do you drawer the line????
I think we are at that point now.
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JimC
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Posted: 17 Oct 10 at 7:00pm |
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If there's one phrase I think should be banned from dinghy parks its "investment in a sailboat". You don't invest in a sailboat (well not unless you're a manufacturer), you spend money on it. If you get that quite clear in your head and don't spend more than you can afford then sailboat ownership is about a hundred times less stressful! |
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Merlinboy
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Rupert
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Posted: 17 Oct 10 at 8:00pm |
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Quite agree - you may as well regard the toys you buy the kids at Christmas as investments if you are going to look at big boys (or girls) toys in that way...
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Well to a certain extend I agree....however, what happen if your "purchase" turns out to be a really good investment, over the last, say 10 years, and through no fault of your own, the second hand value stays bouyant etc?
What causes the bottom to fall out of classes?
What causes a mass exodus?
Whose duty is it to keep an eye on it and try and pre-empt the next crash.
Since I bought my 400, I honestly would have called it....a really good investment....which I had the added benefit of racing every week.
So I reckon there is something that needs to be done to protect that. IMHO.
But it's a fine balancing act, because its a "one design".
What to do eh?
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Posted: 17 Oct 10 at 8:47pm |
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No no no!!! Whenever I hear that something needs to be protected, it just means rules, regulations and less freedom for all because the few don't want to accept the one rule that SHOULD always remain true - sh*t happens! |
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JimC
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You count yourself as very lucky, and think, yipee, I can afford to spend a bit more on the next boat:-)
All these things are out of anyone's control, which is exactly why thinking of it as in investment messes your mind up. Budget what you can afford, regard anything you get back as a bonus and you'll be a much happier sailor. And whatever you do never count up what sailing actually costs you if you have a partner of any kind, whether they currently sail or not! Edited by JimC - 17 Oct 10 at 8:55pm |
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Posted: 17 Oct 10 at 8:53pm |
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Brilliant!! Surely that quote has to make it into the magazine!!!
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