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    Posted: 13 Oct 10 at 10:59am
I agree with you Peaky that the use of the various rigs as suggested in your post is un savoury,but the rules are at opens that you declare your rig size at the begaining of the event & thats the one that you are using for the entire event.
 
I have the 10.2 & the 8.4 & at my weight I would use the 10.2 as the standard & the 8.4 on the sea,I think it would be rare for me to use the 8.4 on the inland venues.
 
I do however think that over time the rig choice for the travelers will be the 10.2 but only because the rig is so depowerable & as such we will become like the 300`s where the A rig is rarely if ever used in events & everybody uses the B rig.
 
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When there is talk of cheque book sailing because of the need to swap rigs, it is just worth pointing out that in the case of the 100 that perhaps gives the wrong impression. 

Each boat comes with a full mast including the stump needed for the 10.2. When buying the boat you could (can?) have a second sail at half price. Therefore to get a full set of 'rigs' for your weight range is only about half the cost of a new sail. On an £8-9k boat package that seems a pretty cost effective solution.

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well I like the idea of having a third main sail size and it dosen't really change the logic of the situation. 
 
In light winds (F1/2) the 10.2 will be quickest, by about 10-12 knots the 8.4 and 10.2 are probably similar in speed, and I am guessing that for some lighter sailors the 7.4 will be easier and quicker as the wind increases further. 
 
I will think about getting the 7.4 for those F5/6 days (as I am not a windsurfer).
 
I agree with TT that we don't want too formal weight equalisation.
 
The analogy is to the laser radial, full rig and phantom - different characteristics to suit different sailors on different days
 
I dont think that having three of anything is too complex to cope with.
 
And I havent had to mention PYs Smile
 
 


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I rather like the idea of doing this 18' Skiff syle, 3 rigs, 1 boat, but a whole lot cheaper. Does the smallest sail fit on the 8.4 mast? As GRF says, windsurfers have always done it this way, so why not a dinghy? OK, so it costs more (I'm sure RS are doing some sort of deal) but sailing a boat like this was never going to be a cheap way into sailing anyway.
 
Lets face it, even the Lightning has a storm sail, which you are allowed to change down to if the weather turns nasty - at the Nationals several were lent out to less able helms to allow them to carry on racing by people who weren't going to use them. If an old fashioned boat like that can do it, why not a 100?
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I think the new sail sounds like a great idea and if I was buying the boat new now I may well have opted for it as I'm right at the bottom of the 8.4 rig in my opinion. However shelling out £450 for another sail in season 1 (as i will need another kite anyway) would not go down well at home so I will have to wait and see. Need to start saving up or maybe just putting on weight is cheaper?????
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just think of all the pies you could get for £450! LOL
 
what's the deal with your kite?  mine is picking up quite a few small holes as well
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Originally posted by Rupert

I rather like the idea of doing this 18' Skiff syle, 3 rigs, 1 boat, but a whole lot cheaper. Does the smallest sail fit on the 8.4 mast? As GRF says, windsurfers have always done it this way, so why not a dinghy? OK, so it costs more (I'm sure RS are doing some sort of deal) but sailing a boat like this was never going to be a cheap way into sailing anyway.
 
Lets face it, even the Lightning has a storm sail, which you are allowed to change down to if the weather turns nasty - at the Nationals several were lent out to less able helms to allow them to carry on racing by people who weren't going to use them. If an old fashioned boat like that can do it, why not a 100?
But 18's sail off the same handicap whichever rig they use (not that they handicap race much, I grant you).  If it's 1 class, 3 rigs, 1 PY, pick your sail on the day, then fine. But that's not what I understand the 100s are about.  If you were (hypothetically) to allow rig changes mid series you shouldn't get a more favourable handicap just for reefing, that seems a little unfair. 
 
Anyhow, I'm arguing about something that isn't even an issue so I must stop.  I just think that if rig swapping does become allowed/the norm, then only one PY should be allocated. 


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I was looking back and I have probably done around 30 or so club races this year each around 3 to 4 windward leeward laps so the kite has probably been hoisted about 90 times and it beginning to show it's age. Not in Germanic holes but more just crispness but no surprise really. So for big races a new kite will be required me thinks. Along with all the pies!!!!
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Notice the weird Germanic reference above. Apples spell check for general mis Typed!!!!! Nothing to do with Germans and kites!
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The returns could be a total mess if considering the 7.4 versus the 10.2 over the space of a clubs seasons results. Ok not in the league of moth variance but the differences in different conditions could make a very confusing set of results if all rigs are considered together. I must admit living up norf I bought the boat with the intention of mainly club handicap racing and as such choosing the rig that suits my weight the best. If it becomes one boat with free rig selection i would be put off completely. I want to turn up 30 mins before the race hoist the sail and go. And the 100 is a superb boat for that. Easy to launch and easy to sail. It is such an excellent compromise between ease and speed. Please let's not ever go to being able to change rigs in a series. Sounds way too much hassle. As mentioned before we just need to make sure all the relavent club returns identify rig type and hope the py bods pick up on it.
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