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    Posted: 24 May 12 at 2:12pm
Originally posted by Kev M

Without wishing to go too far off topic, what is it about the Vareo that make it so bad going into wind?

I've only sailed one on holiday (windy Turkey) It was at least as hard work upwind as my laser (it's similar in the beam) but you get downwind far quicker - so you spend commensurately more time grunting upwind.

The 100 of course faces the same issue but the additional beam helps and it is ergonomically really comfortable
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Originally posted by Kev M

Without wishing to go too far off topic, what is it about the Vareo that make it so bad going into wind?

how well it goes downwind....  LOL

It tricks your senses and speed perception.

In truth, foot off, hike hard, kicker on, cunningham down and if it's not dead flat then it's dead... I could hold a club raced laser mark to mark, but I'd be sailing wider angles, ever so slightly faster.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

Originally posted by G.R.F.

 

Heavy things very soon become too tiresome to bother with anyway and folk move on.

light things that fall over and can't get off the beach without help can also  Wink

But you're missing a fundamental attribute to what most sailing folks actually do.  The take their new toy to their sailing club, park it up and only ever roll it down a slope to the water.  As long as the launching trolley is well balanced most people can manage most boats.  Heavy, cheap rotomoulds that don't fall over as soon as they hit the water are great.  These people rarely have any intention to drag them around the country for racing regattas.  They don't even want to take them home for a winter project every year either.  I've just recommended a Laser Vago to a very good friend for that exact reason.  It can be left at the side of his mountain lake all year round.

That's fine if you sail on a pond with a nice concrete slope. If the slope you are trying to roll it down, or up, is a shingle beach then weight matters a lot! In fact for me that's the place it matters. Once it's in the water all the other Contenders are the same weight, so what's the problem? If it's on a road base a few kg is not going to make any real difference as far as towing goes. Mast weight matters, changing from a old alloy mast to a lighter carbon one makes a big difference to righting from capsize, that's an immediately appreciable benefit, but what I really want is way of making it much lighter when it's on the beach Ermm or a big wheel trolley
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There's a little rule I got told by a very good sailor; if you're not strong enough to pull up the beach, you're not strong enough to sail it.  

A Contender is a notoriously heavy dinghy for its size boat.  That gives it the momentum to glide through waves and cut the water rather than being chucked around the froth on top of it.  They're a big wind boat, originally conceived for big wind regatta sailing.  It's the singlehanded 505.

I wouldn't be so keen to lose all that weight and compromise the solid build and sailing profile, especially when some decent beach wheels (and maybe a jockey wheel) will solve all your launching issues.


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Originally posted by pondmonkey

There's a little rule I got told by a very good sailor; if you're not strong enough to pull up the beach, you're not strong enough to sail it.  


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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by pondmonkey

There's a little rule I got told by a very good sailor; if you're not strong enough to pull up the beach, you're not strong enough to sail it.  


Confused That's me out then...
That depends on the beach - a slight slope using a concrete slipway into a reservoir is a different kettle of fish to a steep shingle beech such as Hythe or Eastbourne.
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The advice came pulling a water-logged N12 up the shingle/sandy beach in Harwich  Wink

I think her point was choosing an appropriate craft for ourselves, our launch and our recovery was all part of good seamanship.  If I wanted to get off a beach like that singlehanded, then maybe a solid beach cat would be the answer?

In the case of Lancing, well I guess you help each other out rather than stand around filming each other's misfortune...
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Interesting how the title of that video entices YouTube to suggest all sorts of non-sailing related others, with the emphasis being on the last word in the title
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It's the clips that are advertised at the end of it that get a lot more interesting...
 
I hate to see that happen to a Contender.  There are so many other boats I would happily see trashed in a shore dump. 


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Odd I just see sailing vids ... Doesn't YouTube suggestions work on Internet history?
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