New women's Olympic boat

On Cherub Handicaps... I heard first hand that at the TASA open meeting at Weston when they had the Cherubs, some older 14, Boss's and other Trapeze asymm stuff, that some Cherubs had claimed a handicap of 900 odd, then were busy telling other people how they were as fast as the 14s on the water!!! What the...!!!!

If the cherub genuinely is running speeds similar to the 14s and 800s then it needs to be honest and have a handicap to match.  If you can't sail it to those numbers, my advice for what it is worth is sail more until you can sail faster!!!!  If you get beaten by a better sailor then you shake them by the hand and think about how to improve, not blame the boat and try to get a slower handicap!!! 

I do accept that a cherub 'problem' is that because there are pre 2005 rules boats that have been converted - and such a wide range of performance from the post 2005 boats - all being sailed by a wide range of people that the PY is never going to fit everyone, but that's what local rules make allowance for - hence the Ichenor and HISC 14's race off of 747 because the fleets are strong and they race the 49er on scratch.

From what I saw at the trial the 2005 rules UK Cherub should be on a PY around 10points slower than an i14 whose National (from club returns) PY is 850 . The 14 is considered marginally slower (again considering the National returns) than the RS800 at 820 and again that seems fair compared to the performance of the Daemon at the trial.  So I would suggest the UKCherub PY is around 860. (Please note that I am expressing my views purely as an individual UK Cherub sailor and am not in any way part of the committee of the UK Cherub Class)

If we do any handicap events in the B1c Cherub (bow is done now Jim - just fitting the correctors and new mast foot), we've decided we're going to race on scratch with the 14s at 850 - After all we think we're almost as quick as them and they are fun to race against...

In the 900's!? Come off it! - The Laser 4000 is on 906!!!

 

Dont worry landlocked I wont be sailing my 14 off that py. It is indead the joys of being a development class.

Oh the joys of development classes!!

Originally posted by Medway Maniac Actually, there is no mention of the Cherub in the latest PY list - too few returns presumably. So, what number should RO's now use?

 

Well if they are as fast as modern 14s. I have been informed the 14's at Itchenor are sailing off 747

Edited by Andrewst

All this talk of which boat is fastest is a bit silly, its well documented on the whole. I saw the xx helmed by an ex olympian, beaten every day during Federation week by a bunch RS800 club sailors, In the same races the 14s disappered over the horizon in close contact with the 49er. This happened every day not a couple of times in a short race. The 14s raced with the 49ers at the tide ride and finished mid fleet overall. The 800s where beating the xx by legs of the course not a few yards. The moth beat the 14s by 15mins per race............ we dont need a trial in Hyeres to tell us the relative speeds of the boats..........unless you stick your head in the sand.