New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Youth classes
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Youth classes

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 678910 11>
Author
Jon Emmett View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 15 Mar 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 988
Post Options Post Options   Quote Jon Emmett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Youth classes
    Posted: 27 Nov 05 at 5:35pm
I do not know any of the girls who have put on more than a kilo or two! (I am sure I would have noticed if any had gained over 10 Kilos!!!) and yes I feel it is quite reasonable for the radial girls to go to the gym, this is a natural part of training for all sports!
Back to Top
les5269 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 11 Oct 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1530
Post Options Post Options   Quote les5269 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Nov 05 at 5:17pm
Quite agree Bumble I sailed 5ks and in the light stuff we could whip the likes of 49ers and 800s,most of the time beating them on the water!(we weighed about 160kgs and the boat 180kgs slightly more than the average 49er!)
49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)!

Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country
Back to Top
Bumble View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 12 Nov 05
Location: Taiwan
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 302
Post Options Post Options   Quote Bumble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Nov 05 at 5:33am
Originally posted by Doug.H

Hey Guys!  just whilst we're in this weight range convo
weight is not a huge issue to boatspeed! 

Not true..... its a huge factor, just different hulls have different characteristics under loading.

Originally posted by Doug.H

over the years weve seen the likes of ian percy and ben ainslie bring the so called optimum wieght range for the finn down by some 5+ kilos! 

The finn is naturally tolerant of a wide range of weights due to high dispacement and a hull shape which, under loading, increases imersion without proportionally increasing waterline beam. Some 5+kilos is very little for this class, and even less for Mr Emmett who feels its quite reasonable to train hopeful female Olympians with protein and weights to gain at least twice that.

Originally posted by Doug.H

And more annoyingly than that at the 800 nats this yr which was minimal winds for the most part, Irish + Gotrel were happily caning it round the course and they weighed in at 159kg, which is pretty heavy!!  

Weight (so long as not excessive) slowing you down in the light stuff, especially 'minimal' winds, is a myth. The sole indicator for over 100years of a boats light wind speed potential is the waterline length/sail area ratio...... the sail/weight (so called Bruce number) has no relevance till strong motion is given.

For every kilo added in righting moment more force on the sail can be balanced up to a threshold, when it tails off ... in the case of some dinghies very sharply - this threshold gives us the optimum weight for a given hull and in most cases has nothing to do with sail area. The myth that more weight in a dinghy can enable you to carry more sailarea in more wind exists because thats how it feels when you are over powered but, the reality with most planninghulls is, the threshold weight is very close to the lower limit needed to stop it tipping over.



Edited by Bumble
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 05 at 11:16pm

Hey Guys!  just whilst we're in this weight range convo
weight is not a huge issue to boatspeed!  over the years weve seen the likes of ian percy and ben ainslie bring the so called optimum wieght range for the finn down by some 5+ kilos!  And more annoyingly than that at the 800 nats this yr which was minimal winds for the most part, Irish + Gotrel were happily caning it round the course and they weighed in at 159kg, which is pretty heavy!!  
Thats all from me

Doug

Back to Top
les5269 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 11 Oct 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1530
Post Options Post Options   Quote les5269 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 05 at 3:41pm
So theorectically it shouldn't make any difference if they are slightly out of the optimum weight range?
49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)!

Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country
Back to Top
Jon Emmett View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 15 Mar 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 988
Post Options Post Options   Quote Jon Emmett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 05 at 3:38pm
For the Radial I think being under 70Kgs is definitely a good thing. The last two World Championships sailed in moderate breeze were won by Men under 70Kgs. As far as the change from Europe to Radial, the Radial is a more physical boat (as it has a less responsive rig) so a lot of the girls have hit the gym, gaining strength (and weight),,, Just out of interest the Radial has much less sail area than the Europe.

Edited by Jon Emmett
Back to Top
les5269 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 11 Oct 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1530
Post Options Post Options   Quote les5269 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 05 at 3:35pm

just to add my ten pence if all the girls are under 70kgs does it matter,wouldn't they all be that little bit handicapped?(I've never raced a laser so I don't know there charactoristics)

49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)!

Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country
Back to Top
Jon Emmett View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 15 Mar 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 988
Post Options Post Options   Quote Jon Emmett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 05 at 3:23pm

All the girls on the Podium were under 70Kgs at the Radial Europeans...

Besides look at any "power" sports and you will find lots of women well over 70Kgs!!!

Back to Top
Bumble View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 12 Nov 05
Location: Taiwan
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 302
Post Options Post Options   Quote Bumble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 05 at 3:19pm
True, true true..... but 70kilos even is a big girl.....isn't it.????
Back to Top
Jon Emmett View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 15 Mar 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 988
Post Options Post Options   Quote Jon Emmett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 05 at 3:16pm

Yes but 75 Kilos is not the average weight of the Radial class!

By that agruement the Laser is unsuitable as 80 Kilos is not "a very average weight for men of the world". (Do not even think about the Finn!)

The fact is sports people tend to be fitter, stronger (and therefore heavier) than average...

 

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 678910 11>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy