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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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I do not know any of the girls who have put on more than a kilo or two! (I am sure I would have noticed if any had gained over 10 Kilos!!!) and yes I feel it is quite reasonable for the radial girls to go to the gym, this is a natural part of training for all sports!
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les5269 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1530 |
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Quite agree Bumble I sailed 5ks and in the light stuff we could whip the likes of 49ers and 800s,most of the time beating them on the water!(we weighed about 160kgs and the boat 180kgs slightly more than the average 49er!)
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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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Not true..... its a huge factor, just different hulls have different characteristics under loading.
The finn is naturally tolerant of a wide range of weights due to high dispacement and a hull shape which, under loading, increases imersion without proportionally increasing waterline beam. Some 5+kilos is very little for this class, and even less for Mr Emmett who feels its quite reasonable to train hopeful female Olympians with protein and weights to gain at least twice that.
Weight (so long as not excessive) slowing you down in the light stuff, especially 'minimal' winds, is a myth. The sole indicator for over 100years of a boats light wind speed potential is the waterline length/sail area ratio...... the sail/weight (so called Bruce number) has no relevance till strong motion is given. For every kilo added in righting moment more force on the sail can be balanced up to a threshold, when it tails off ... in the case of some dinghies very sharply - this threshold gives us the optimum weight for a given hull and in most cases has nothing to do with sail area. The myth that more weight in a dinghy can enable you to carry more sailarea in more wind exists because thats how it feels when you are over powered but, the reality with most planninghulls is, the threshold weight is very close to the lower limit needed to stop it tipping over. Edited by Bumble |
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Hey Guys! just whilst we're in this weight range convo Doug |
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les5269 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1530 |
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So theorectically it shouldn't make any difference if they are slightly out of the optimum weight range?
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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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For the Radial I think being under 70Kgs is definitely a good thing. The last two World Championships sailed in moderate breeze were won by Men under 70Kgs. As far as the change from Europe to Radial, the Radial is a more physical boat (as it has a less responsive rig) so a lot of the girls have hit the gym, gaining strength (and weight),,, Just out of interest the Radial has much less sail area than the Europe.
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les5269 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1530 |
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just to add my ten pence if all the girls are under 70kgs does it matter,wouldn't they all be that little bit handicapped?(I've never raced a laser so I don't know there charactoristics) |
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All the girls on the Podium were under 70Kgs at the Radial Europeans... Besides look at any "power" sports and you will find lots of women well over 70Kgs!!! |
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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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True, true true..... but 70kilos even is a big girl.....isn't it.????
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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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Yes but 75 Kilos is not the average weight of the Radial class! By that agruement the Laser is unsuitable as 80 Kilos is not "a very average weight for men of the world". (Do not even think about the Finn!) The fact is sports people tend to be fitter, stronger (and therefore heavier) than average...
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