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    Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by 423zero

The question I was asked by a Brexit pollster,
"If the EU decides to go for a common language and it wasn't English, what could you do to stop it ?"

talk more loudly... we're british.  LOL
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The question I was asked by a Brexit pollster,
"If the EU decides to go for a common language and it wasn't English, what could you do to stop it ?"
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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

No, but he 16% of you trade is with the U.K., but 55% of our exports are to the EU, trade negotiations are going to be on the metaphorical lines of "bend over and wait there. When I get round to you, it's going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me" 

highly doubt any of it will really affect product trading that greatly- sure services, especially folks pushing numbers around financial systems to benefit a corporate elite, might have some uncertainty, but no doubt they'll find creative ways to make those numbers appear bigger to those with the vested interests in due course.... 

besides worst case scenario of mutual tariffs at WTO rates on consumer products and luxuries of around 4% is less than the recent swings in gains and losses on currency one the past 5 years.... and those of us in manufacturing industries both sides of the channel, seem to be able ride that out as best we can through good relationships and strong supply chain management.    
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No, but he 16% of you trade is with the U.K., but 55% of our exports are to the EU, trade negotiations are going to be on the metaphorical lines of "bend over and wait there. When I get round to you, it's going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me" 

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Originally posted by JimC

Fine, but you need to cross off both lists all the ones that didn't predict the financial crash and/or favoured Britain joining the Euro, because their economic predictions are demonstrably of limited value...

Then you can cross off both lists all those organisations or individuals that are expected to benefit from whichever side they are supporting, because as the old saying goes, self interest is running in every race.

Then you can cross off from both sides all those organisations and individuals that you really wouldn't expect to have that much to contribute to the topic.

And finally you can cross off from both sides all those organisations and individuals that are intrinsically biased and wouldn't recognise a reasonable argument if it kicked them in the teeth.

And then you'll probably have none left on either side...

What I don't get though is the assumption, written all over that Washington Post article, that the first thing that will happen is that all economic relationships will be torn up and replaced with ones that are massively unfavourable to *all* parties.


Agreed.
Do we really believe that MB, VAG and BMW will forego 1m car sales that easily? I think not.
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Fine, but you need to cross off both lists all the ones that didn't predict the financial crash and/or favoured Britain joining the Euro, because their economic predictions are demonstrably of limited value...

Then you can cross off both lists all those organisations or individuals that are expected to benefit from whichever side they are supporting, because as the old saying goes, self interest is running in every race.

Then you can cross off from both sides all those organisations and individuals that you really wouldn't expect to have that much to contribute to the topic.

And finally you can cross off from both sides all those organisations and individuals that are intrinsically biased and wouldn't recognise a reasonable argument if it kicked them in the teeth.

And then you'll probably have none left on either side...

What I don't get though is the assumption, written all over that Washington Post article, that the first thing that will happen is that all economic relationships will be torn up and replaced with ones that are massively unfavourable to *all* parties.
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Originally posted by robinft

Originally posted by turnturtle

indeed robinft... here's one, worth reading if you're still unsure/undecided.



What makes you think I'm undecided?

nothing, it was a general comment....  simply backing up your point about the stupid list of people of various vested interests.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

indeed robinft... here's one, worth reading if you're still unsure/undecided.



What makes you think I'm undecided?
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http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/england-gone-mad/

A A Gill says it best. 
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/aa-gill-argues-the-case-against-brexit-kmnp83zrt

We listen to the Brexit lot talk about the trade deals they’re going to make with Europe after we leave, and the blithe insouciance that what they’re offering instead of EU membership is a divorce where you can still have sex with your ex. They reckon they can get out of the marriage, keep the house, not pay alimony, take the kids out of school, stop the in-laws going to the doctor, get strict with the visiting rights, but, you know, still get a shag at the weekend and, obviously, see other people on the side.
Really, that’s their best offer? That’s the plan? To swagger into Brussels with Union Jack pants on and say: “ ’Ello luv, you’re looking nice today. Would you like some?”

When the rest of us ask how that’s really going to work, leavers reply, with Terry-Thomas smirks, that “they’re going to still really fancy us, honest, they’re gagging for us. Possibly not Merkel, but the bosses of Mercedes and those French vintners and cheesemakers, they can’t get enough of old John Bull. Of course they’re going to want to go on making the free market with two backs after we’ve got the decree nisi. Makes sense, doesn’t it?”


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Originally posted by Peaky

Originally posted by Rupert

Workers are far better protected under the EU than they ever would be under a Tory government paid for by rich businessmen.You hear of billionaires wanting out. Best reason to vote to stay in.

Does that mean you'd be prepared to vote leave if we had a Labour govt at the moment?


No. Just as bad.
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