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JimC 
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That's my recollection, I think you could postpone buying the paint, but that was about it. I think all the gear, such as it was in those simpler days, came in the kit. Spinnaker might have been an extra. |
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realnutter
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Posted: 17 Jan 16 at 9:03pm |
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Indeed... As I said, if we all invite our mates out to play in whatever tubs we sail, then a few will get the bug and buy their own tubs... The right club helps.. mine hasn't batted a collective eyelid at me turning up with a 50 year old Minisail, and a 30 year old N12... Club fees are by a long way the most expensive part of sailing for me... It's got to be the way forward.... |
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cad99uk
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Posted: 17 Jan 16 at 9:06pm |
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Basic Mirror kit in 1968: £68 19s. Paint extra, spinnaker extra. Rowlocks included
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iiiiitick
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Posted: 17 Jan 16 at 9:12pm |
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Double handers are a bit of a problem but plenty of singlehanders at bargain prices. We have Lightning 104 bought 13 years ago for £300, won 4 Nationals and I did have Byte CII number 406 which cost me £500 and won nats (not in my hands) before being burnt to death by vandals. Just avoid arms race classes.
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realnutter
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Posted: 17 Jan 16 at 9:17pm |
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Owners work not costed.... |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 17 Jan 16 at 11:22pm |
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One survey was done a few years ago for Yachting Australia. It is at http://www.yachting.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/yac-product-positioning-brand-strategy.pdf The part about the general public's perception of the sport is at pages 19 and 20, also 35-39, but there is lots more sprinked throughout. Pages 34 and 38 are intriguing, for example - they show that the cities in which people are LESS likely to be interested in sailing in the future are the ones in which MORE people actually sail. Sydney has by far the highest interest, but a middling level of participation. Hobartians are apparently uninterested in sailing, but 5% of them actually do it. The sample size was about 1000 people per city so I assume it's reasonably solid.* Pages 15 and 18 are interesting - they show the difference between the sports that people are "fanatical" about and the sports that people actually do. There used to be a commercial survey of sports participation and spectating (the Sweeney Report) that also showed that there is basically no statistical relationship between watching a sport and doing the sport (well, people who DO a sport may watch it, but it's not usually the other way around). The other report was done for North Sails and the old Laser/Sunfish company in the USA in the 1990s. The actual results are not available as it was a commercial project, albeit one for the long-term health of the sport, so I asked Peter Johnstone who commissioned it. Basically, as he told the New York Times "Market research showed that many people were intimidated by sailboats, viewing them as too expensive, too complicated to operate and too easy to tip over." I thought I had more quotes but I think they're on my other computer. This survey was also reported in the sailing media but I haven't got the results to hand. Significantly, although PJ is a performance sailor himself (he was involved in the OD14, arguably the first "production skiff", as well as the 49er and Gunboat) he says that the survey showed clearly that non-sailors did NOT think that sailing was boring - they thought it was too hard. There are also other studies that do not address either sailing or whether there is a direct link between watching a sport and doing the sport, such as the work of Wladimir Andreff of the Sorbonne. However, this work also confirms that sports that people watch are very often not the ones that people do. * Hobart and Sydney are of course the two cities involved in a certain highly-publicised ocean race. However, that doesn't seem to drive high participation rates; Sydney's participation rate is middling and Hobart had an intense and large racing scene for many years before the Sydney-Hobart started up. Secondly, the other cities that are the finishing points for major ocean races (Gladstone, Coffs Harbour, Southport and formerly Mooloolaba) do not have very strong sailing scenes. Edited by Chris 249 - 17 Jan 16 at 11:25pm |
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iGRF
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Posted: 18 Jan 16 at 9:22am |
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Pretty much sums up a similar report we commissioned for a windsurfing company in the early nineties as take up was sliding. In brief it came back; 'Inaccessible, elitist and too difficult to bother with anyway', that was shortly before the RYA decided to close all the one man schools and develop the large corporate organisations.
Without schools to teach sports like ours and promote the activity you'll never keep up with the natural wastage of kids getting jobs, folks getting married, moving job and the rest of what the world throws at us. The trick being missed at the moment which could be particularly beneficial to sailing is the high percentage of my baby boomer generation retiring yet more active than ever before, where do they go to learn? Who's trying to encourage them into the fold? How will they even get to know there's a network of more than willing clubs to acommodate them and who could be encouraged to run courses for adults.. Edited by iGRF - 18 Jan 16 at 9:24am |
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PeterG
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Posted: 18 Jan 16 at 9:27am |
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I bought a one year old, well made Mirror in '66 which had just won a series in Plymouth for £80, so the owners work didn't get valued very highly, I'm afraid. Of course that £80 would be around £1400 at today's prices. Allowing for improvements in earnings above inflation over that time I suspect the effective cost of getting on the water isn't that different.
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ChrisB14
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Posted: 18 Jan 16 at 11:51pm |
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Thanks! Makes for an interesting read.
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B14 GBR 748 Bullet B
In build: Farr 3.7 GBR 410 (both sail number and the current number of loose parts) |
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RS400atC
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Posted: 19 Jan 16 at 2:57pm |
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Spectator 'sport' is almost completely irrelevant to participation sport. |
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