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    Posted: 22 Nov 12 at 5:38pm
I think you have to gauge awareness as well as participation.  The 80,000 crowd in the athletics stadium probably didn't see it as a minority event!
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

But £500 is nothing - can't you ask your builder for stand space, or partial assistance towards one of your own?

In terms of a small CAs budget it is a hell of a lot, and, at least when I was involved, if you had commercial involvement in your stand the price went up too.

I have always understood the temptation not to go, but it definitely makes the class look as if its in big trouble.
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Originally posted by Jon Emmett

I do not believe that there is anything stopping British youngers entering the Youth Olympics if the class could provide the quality of training which would make it worth them going...

Jon, with respect, the class can provide training in an amateur way but cannot afford to provide the kind of coaching in which you specialize. What would be needed is something akin to the squad system. By the way, congratulations on your Radial win. This is a personal question but how heavy are you?
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Originally posted by iGRF

So am I reading this right, there is an Olympics for youth, that we don't send a team to because the RYA favour that knee busting beach toy with a radial sail instead?

Sounds like a good sponsorship opportunity to me.


You hit the nail on the head there young Fuller.  Care to get your cheque book out?

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It occurs to me that this conversation has been going on for a while now on what I consider to be the principle organ of British dinghy sailing. Obviously the RYA never read it. They could at least tell us why they do not wish to support the YOG.
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Originally posted by tick

Originally posted by Jon Emmett

I do not believe that there is anything stopping British youngers entering the Youth Olympics if the class could provide the quality of training which would make it worth them going...

Jon, with respect, the class can provide training in an amateur way but cannot afford to provide the kind of coaching in which you specialize. What would be needed is something akin to the squad system. By the way, congratulations on your Radial win. This is a personal question but how heavy are you?
 

Good evening Tick.

Sorry I was not suggesting that the class pay for the training, I was suggesting that they organize it (like I do for the Laser class)

For example I am coaching this weekend at Stokes Bay for the UKLA. Far from costing the class, they will make a small amount of money off the weekend. The regional training works very much like a squad system.

Thank you for the congratulations but I have to say that Lily was an incredibly hard working and talented young lady.

The last time I weighed myself I was 66 Kgs (first thing in the morning after visiting the bathroom) but I guess that I am a bit lighter than that now as I am having Cortisone injections for a shoulder injury and therefore not training at the moment...

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Originally posted by Jon Emmett

I do not believe that there is anything stopping British youngers entering the Youth Olympics if the class could provide the quality of training which would make it worth them going...

Jon, with respect, the class can provide training in an amateur way but cannot afford to provide the kind of coaching in which you specialize. What would be needed is something akin to the squad system. By the way, congratulations on your Radial win. This is a personal question but how heavy are you?


It could if charged an attendance fee for a decent coach... I've no idea on Jon's rates, hopefully very high given his coaching achievements this year!!! but it's perfectly feasible to get a recognised coach for a good rate without relying on the NOD 1 rib & Big Ears to steer it.
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I do understand the difficulty in coaching fees (hence my book, Be Your Own Sailing Coach  Wink) and obviously I do not know what Kevin Moore charges per day (I see that he usually finishes mid fleet in the Byte opens, so I guess and it is only a guess that he is not a full time coach) but I honestly think that someone who is considering the cost of going the Youth Olympics should invest in some training before going, as it could make a large difference to their performance at the event. < id="_npwlo" ="applicationpwlo" height="0">

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Let me explain about Kevin Moore. He has some years ago been a very successful Byte sailor but a healthy consumption of pies has somewhat added to his girth. He is a much better sailor/ coach than his results suggest!

If anyone wished to attend a training session then Combs should be your choice when Louis Saunders and Rick Whitehouse will be in charge, both multiple Inland and National champions.
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Yep yep I quite understand how important being the correct weight for the class is, this is why I stopped sailing the Laser standard rig.

I also believe someones results do of course not directly impact into one's ability to coach.

Indeed often the more I coach the worse my results get, as I do not get the opportunity to sail myself!

However like any skill coaching does improve with practice and therefore those who do it full time do have an advantage over those who do less coaching but this is probably reflected in the price that they charge.

I think it would be wonderful if the Byte class  could have more coaching and I sure that if the training is of a high quality then there would be no need for the class to subsidize it...

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