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    Posted: 20 Nov 12 at 6:12pm
You're quite right Russ- choice between after sales and a warranty and nothing... It's a no brainer unless there's a significant price difference.

Good sales pitch re the bags, fair points! I'd be converted if I didn't have a truck to sling them in the back of rather than travel with them in the boat. Out of interest, can you tow with them on the boat without the faff of taking them off at all?
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Originally posted by L123456


WHooo ... the V3 bring it on, the V2 farce was a great laugh could the V3 really be 50% more funny than the V2? I do hope so ... best you start a new thread iGRF.


Well I will once I've got something to show y'all, and wether you think it was a farce or not, it brought me a great deal of enjoyment and I learned absolutely loads from the experience, so next go round, my design genius will know no bounds, . I'm turning to the rig and am going to fully integrate it with the craft this time so you will see something interesting to laugh about, but this time it's aimed at my new style lake and inland sailing round cans, but still retaining some windsurf influence.
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the same, but different...

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Originally posted by pondmonkey

You're quite right Russ- choice between after sales and a warranty and nothing... It's a no brainer unless there's a significant price difference.

Good sales pitch re the bags, fair points! I'd be converted if I didn't have a truck to sling them in the back of rather than travel with them in the boat. Out of interest, can you tow with them on the boat without the faff of taking them off at all?

We had talked about that before James, and we think its within the towing width even with the wings out.  To be hones its 4 pins and 4 quick release bolts and they are undone. its not a massive hoohah.  Albeit I have to do it every time i sail as the demo boat is rarely in the same place twice.  One of the lads with a van transports his wings in the back of his wagon.  I think that's what i would do out of choice, but the wing bags work if you don't have that luxury.

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Originally posted by Jon Emmett

Originally posted by Kev M

You may have hit the nail on the head there James.

When you were a youth you aspired to the (best) adults singlehander at the time, the Laser, and because there is no junior version you go for a Laser with a smaller rig.

In double handers, the 49ers are the glamour boat and the teens have a 29er to be the vehicle for their aspirations.

In that case,  the teens might not get a proper single hander that is actually designed for them until the Laser is replaced at the Olympics with something else.  Imagine if the Laser was replaced with the MPS, the junior equivalent might be that smaller, German thing we were all watching the video of the other week.

 

The Laser is actively raced in more than 100 countries and is guaranteed to be in the Olympics until at least 2020. 



One of the best things about the class is what ever your level you always have someone to race against.


The Byte CII is a great little boat (yes I have raced them)...

However training really is the key to long term international successes and the class has very, very little compared to what the Laser has to offer.


To me the Olympics seems to have a good mix now with easy to get into classes like the Laser (and Radial for Women) as well as high performances boats like the 49er (and FX for Women).

Although the process for choosing Olympic classes has meant a very difficult six months for a huge number of people...< id="_npwlo" ="applicationpwlo" height="0">

I am very aware of your success in Byte Jon with one first and one second in consecutive Worlds. You have (in Canada) experience of bucket loads of kids racing them. That is what I would like to see here. I am aware that once the Radial was adopted over the Byte C2 as the ladies boat there was no hope of change for a long time. What I would like is for the RYA to support the Youth Olympics (in C2's). Few of those Topper/Laser youth sailors will make it to the top of the pile so why not give them an alternative ambition. Darren Choy who won the worlds at 16 and 17 was presumably a light weight youth (from Singapore). I googled him, perhaps he may pop up in the Singapore Olympic Team......he was nowhere to be seen. I presume that his slight build precluded him but at least his CV contains some success.
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Originally posted by Ruscoe


Originally posted by pondmonkey

You're quite right Russ- choice between after sales and a warranty and nothing... It's a no brainer unless there's a significant price difference.

Good sales pitch re the bags, fair points! I'd be converted if I didn't have a truck to sling them in the back of rather than travel with them in the boat. Out of interest, can you tow with them on the boat without the faff of taking them off at all?

We had talked about that before James, and we think its within the towing width even with the wings out.  To be hones its 4 pins and 4 quick release bolts and they are undone. its not a massive hoohah.  Albeit I have to do it every time i sail as the demo boat is rarely in the same place twice.  One of the lads with a van transports his wings in the back of his wagon.  I think that's what i would do out of choice, but the wing bags work if you don't have that luxury.


Sorry to hijack the thread...
I have toyed with towing my D1 with the wings on but with a bit of practice I can rig my boat in the same time it takes Olly to rig his phantom. The only bit that takes an extra 5 mins is the time taken to tie on the kite. Having everything tucked in the hull with no mast poking over the top of the car is a great design detail. The bags do take a bit more time to use but are certainly worth it, as Russ says there is no more trying to find a random bit of carpet or string to secure things down with - worth every penny!

Obviously Russ rigs his boat at the speed of a solo sailer/OAP so it takes him hours... He is referred to as 'Capt'n Slow' for a reason ;)
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I must admit I am not very aware of the Singapore Olympic programme. They seem to put a huge amount of effort into their Youth and Junior programmes.

I have been contacted by Singapore to run some Byte training clinics, they told me they have around 150 full time Byte sailors (aged 12 - 16).

They want me to run training camps in the USA in preparation for the 2013 Worlds, with the key regatta being the Youth Olympics in 2014...

There was no mention of their Laser/Radial programme.
 
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There.....why cant we be like that!
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I see that Darren Choy from Singapore won the last Australian Youth Nationals - in 420s. Perhaps the supposedly vast appeal of "modern rigs" doesn't actually mean that much to him?

If the Laser is being kept popular by the appeal of an international Games then surely pretty much the same thing can be said of the Byte, given the fact that the Byte is used for the YOG and was used for Youth Worlds, as well as being supplied for events like the US "champion of champions" series?

If the popularity of one class is said to be artificially inflated by being used for major events then the same must be said of the other that is used for major events, when they are compared to other classes that are not used for such events.
 
And if the rig is so vastly superior then why is the Byte significantly slower? Yes its shorter length is a major reason, but if one is going to relentlessly snipe at other classes then one must surely expect others to point out that the Byte is generally a small class of slow boats.
 
For what it's worth, down here the Radial has always been up against "cool" doublehanders aimed at a similar age bracket, in the form of the Cherub and its little sister the Flying Ant and similar boats. The Radial has grown much faster than they have, and faster than the 29er has, which appears to indicate that there's not exactly a massive need to replace the Radial with a "skiff-style" singlehander.
 
In fact where the Laser is suffering down here it's from the Sabre, which is pretty much in the Solo style and is very well suited to the open waters and big winds of the southern states. Like the Solo, its success says a lot about how a class can succeed without big dollar backing or being part of the squad scene, as long as it appeals to the market.
 
 


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By the way, from the position of being a father/stepfather of four kids between 18 and 22 (and someone who took a class from having no one younger than 34 to having 25% of the fleet 18 or younger) I can only agree with PM's point that kids these days may be LESS interested in being "cool", and arguably much less interested in following trends.
 
With information as easy as it is to spread around, things seem ageless these days. I walk down the road and there's teens wearing T shirts for '80s bands, the early Cure albums are on kids' MP3s, and when we opened the box of t shirts for the last nationals the first kid to walk up said "retro, cool, can I buy a spare" (glad to say that we MEANT it to be retro!).
 
Our oldest is moving from Google Australia to the head office in San Fran next year while fending off stupid offers from game design companies, so it's fair to say that he is reasonably switched on. Talking to him and his uni lecturer in game design always underlines how many factors the "make it fast and cool and they will come" approach ignores when it comes to attracting yoof. In many ways, much of the thinking used in computer games is the anthithesis of the "kids want crash and burn" approach.
 
Looking at my own kids and nephews, who were introduced to sailing on boats like Tornadoes, F16 cats and skiff-type trainers, there's no indication that there is any one route that is more likely to keep young people in sailing. Four have given up; of the two still sailing regularly, one is on a Cherub at the world's largest skiff club and the other loving non-spinnaker twilight races on a poorly sailed leadmine. Try finding evidence that fast is best from that little sample!


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